Message from Thomas Ryan in Front And Center #nirlv_general

2017-11-28 16:26:22 UTC  

Much appreciated. It's an honor to be here.

2017-11-28 16:26:32 UTC  

Welcome Roma

2017-11-28 16:26:47 UTC  

Hello everyone

2017-11-28 16:26:52 UTC  

@Steven MI Hey man, I don't make the rules

2017-11-28 16:27:01 UTC  

I thought you did

2017-11-28 16:27:12 UTC  

Yeah, I guess you're right.

2017-11-28 16:27:30 UTC  

Nah I get it. So who's comin from TX to vet me

2017-11-28 16:27:32 UTC  

opsec is important

2017-11-28 16:27:37 UTC  

But jokes aside, this is just what we gotta do. I've seen guys get doxxed and chats get leaked and all these things. It's a big annoyance.

2017-11-28 16:27:46 UTC  

and we just cant feel like its personal

2017-11-28 16:28:04 UTC  

Plus, we aren't hurting anyone who's making the steps that everyone needs to in order to move forward.

2017-11-28 16:28:13 UTC  

Yeah I'm not upset I'm just messing with you

2017-11-28 16:29:30 UTC  

Some commies will run Java scripts on chats and log all the messages, tens of thousands, and upload it all into a database somewhere, so that if anyone ever feels like doxxing you, they can look through everything you've said and comb through it until they've got something.

2017-11-28 16:29:30 UTC  

So all it takes is letting one in for a day or two.

2017-11-28 16:30:01 UTC  

hopefully one day we will all be able to attend a event together

2017-11-28 16:30:59 UTC  

the best part of UTR in my opinion was us getting to meet so many friends for the first time

2017-11-28 16:33:39 UTC  

I’ve always been a big believer in rallies, for that exact reason.

2017-11-28 16:33:39 UTC  

So eventually you're going to have to meet with the guys up north!

2017-11-28 16:33:56 UTC  

UTR was a massive fuster cluck, but that was fun, yeah. Sadly I only got to meet all these folks for seconds, if not a minute or two, before I was pulled away to manage guys going out to batter communists, or hopping into a convoy somewhere else.

2017-11-28 16:34:59 UTC  

hopefully summer time we can get more rallies in better chosen states

2017-11-28 16:35:17 UTC  

Big, pre-announced rallies are tricky. Unless you have a lot of factors such as overwhelming numbers, group cohesion, and a friendly police force or local govt, it's going to be a Cville. Cville, quite literally, was the end of the movement that went into it, and another one emerged on the other side.

2017-11-28 16:35:55 UTC  

What changed? Loaded question

2017-11-28 16:36:25 UTC  

well I mean we are seen as a real physical threat now for one

2017-11-28 16:36:51 UTC  

I can name some things I’ve noticed, but @Thomas Ryan would be the guy to ask

2017-11-28 16:37:19 UTC  

i think it also made both sides more fanatical and dedicated also

2017-11-28 16:39:14 UTC  

personally i think it made me realize what was under attack even more so and how real this threat is

2017-11-28 16:39:56 UTC  

The fact that someone died definitely brought it another level for sure.

2017-11-28 16:41:07 UTC  

Identity Evropa leadership changed, now it's changed again because of the same reasons that can be traced back to Cville, Vanguard America, for all intents and purposes, ceased to exist. The Nationalist Front (Tradworker Party, NSM, League of the South) distanced themselves from the rest of the "Alt Right", which primarly became a term only used by IE and Richard Spencer, who both now seem to be branching towards "Identitarian" as a label more.

Beyond that, there was the huge crackdown online, websites getting taken down left and right, as well as social media accounts. The Daily Stormer has gotten taken down so many times it's down to a fraction of it's previous viewership.

Also, there's been a whole push towards new tactics. Namely quick flashmobs have been advocated for a lot more, with us being the main people who are bringing them to the forefront. And it started the first "optics debate" about pro-America symbolism, or entirely independant symbolism. Cantwell, who was a big figure, is also still in jail.

2017-11-28 16:42:04 UTC  

i think the flash mobs are the right way forward

2017-11-28 16:43:59 UTC  

we can do more of them quicker and less risk for arrest

2017-11-28 16:44:27 UTC  

we can kinda control the narrative with flash mobs

2017-11-28 16:45:56 UTC  

We absolutely can. There aren't any on-the-ground reporters, so they have to use only what we let out, the police can't put barricades around the entire town, and on every street, to turn the event into a herding game of cattle, and Leftists can't bus in anyone they can to serve as a big meaty roadblock.

2017-11-28 16:46:35 UTC  

its a deff win win situation

2017-11-28 16:48:49 UTC  

i think the flash mobs have been a big part of the idenitarian success of groups overseas

2017-11-28 16:49:12 UTC  

success of idenitrain

2017-11-28 16:59:19 UTC  

Wait, if Vanguard America ceases to exist would it be beneficial to absorb the former chapters into PF? I'm pretty sure they have a chapter here in Okla.

2017-11-28 17:00:36 UTC  

They're still around, they just don't do anything.

And I don't think of other groups in that capacity. If people come over, they do, if they don't, they don't.

2017-11-28 17:48:38 UTC  

Could I reach out to MA Vanguard and see if I can bring some guys over? Their MA Vanguard Account has 700 followers

2017-11-28 17:50:52 UTC  

Nope, you may not.

2017-11-28 17:51:59 UTC  

That account could be run by a single guy, and if there's no IRL activism, there's no assurance that there's manpower. Plus, leeching members off other groups is a no-go.

2017-11-28 17:52:29 UTC  

Fair enough