Message from @primarina

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2019-10-15 18:55:33 UTC  

Yeah, I wasn't sure whether it would bc I was unclear on your point; can you clarify what you mean by intrinsic morals?

2019-10-15 18:56:44 UTC  

Intrinsic morals is the assertion that morals are a real feature of the world, and exist whether or not we percieve/believe them.

2019-10-15 18:57:53 UTC  

I don't read it that way

2019-10-15 18:58:01 UTC  

Intrinsic is a "to what" kind of word

2019-10-15 18:58:18 UTC  

Objective morality is a better way to say it imo

2019-10-15 18:58:47 UTC  

Morality can be intrinsic without being objective

2019-10-15 18:59:09 UTC  

*intrinsic to the subject*

2019-10-15 18:59:27 UTC  

Well intrinsic is used to mean it's a feature of something objective of our perception

2019-10-15 18:59:42 UTC  

You can't have intrinsic morals without objectivity

2019-10-15 18:59:57 UTC  

I disagree

2019-10-15 19:00:26 UTC  

I mean, morality can be intrinsic to the self; to some you cease to be you when your morality changes in certain ways

2019-10-15 19:00:57 UTC  

Or intrinsic to the holder of a character trait

2019-10-15 19:01:00 UTC  

Well that isn't what is referred to when we say intrinsic morality

2019-10-15 19:01:11 UTC  

I understand that the phrase has a distinct definition

2019-10-15 19:01:35 UTC  

But my point is it isn't equal to intrinsic + morality

2019-10-15 19:01:53 UTC  

I never said it was at all

2019-10-15 19:02:10 UTC  

So, my version fo the phrase is also valid

2019-10-15 19:02:52 UTC  

And I do think considering intrinsic subjective ethics is worthwhile

2019-10-15 19:02:52 UTC  

If I define fish to mean pants I can say I'm wearing fish but that isn't very conducive to a conversation

2019-10-15 19:03:05 UTC  

But that's very different from what I'm doing

2019-10-15 19:03:18 UTC  

I'm taking the meaning of the two words, to make a more literal version of the phrase

2019-10-15 19:03:42 UTC  

That's simply not what is done in philosophy, you take the meaning of it and then address that

2019-10-15 19:04:16 UTC  

You were trying to understand what I was saying and you change it to mean something else

2019-10-15 19:04:46 UTC  

U lads wanna continue arguing or can I post a religion qotd

2019-10-15 19:04:48 UTC  

Well, I'm taking the meaning of the words and addressing them, rather than just the meaning of the phrase

2019-10-15 19:05:12 UTC  

Telling me I can't use intrinsic literally, is kinda weird

2019-10-15 19:05:13 UTC  

That's just bad motives then

2019-10-15 19:05:34 UTC  

You address the meaning of the words rather than a literal denotation of it

2019-10-15 19:06:09 UTC  

I'm not arguing with your usage, I'm defending my usage of the component words to form a similiar phrase of distinct meaning.

2019-10-15 19:06:49 UTC  

You were arguing my usage actually

2019-10-15 19:06:53 UTC  

And pointing out how the phrase as you used it might mislead some people, and be ambiguous to others, the philosophic common term or not

2019-10-15 19:06:57 UTC  

<@&588707615643795456> Daily Question ✝

- Should the state actively support a religion? Should States have the right to engage in missionary work?

2019-10-15 19:07:08 UTC  

Yes

2019-10-15 19:07:16 UTC  

Its actually more ambiguous to use it your way primarina

2019-10-15 19:07:17 UTC  

The state should guarantee freedom of religion

2019-10-15 19:07:42 UTC  

Etymology also includes the usage of it historically, and that simply isn't it

2019-10-15 19:08:03 UTC  

Eoppa, non literal readings are inherently ambiguous as words / phrases have literal meanings

2019-10-15 19:08:05 UTC  
2019-10-15 19:08:15 UTC  

No

2019-10-15 19:08:21 UTC  

Primarina, read a book on linguistics

2019-10-15 19:08:31 UTC  

I accept your usage as a figure of speach