Message from @primarina
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See platonism, kantian ethics, utilitarianism
Meanwhile, as an atheist & moral sentimentalist, I believe pedophilia is subjectively / subjectsively wrong and should be forbidden.
I'm unclear on what you mean by intrinsic morals
@primarina my original statement was "under an existentialist/materialist framework that the person I was addressing holds to, so those don't apply.
Ah, ok
Not really clear on existentialist or materialist philosophies, gonna go read up
And calling yourself a moral sentimentalist admits the problem I proposed
Yeah, I wasn't sure whether it would bc I was unclear on your point; can you clarify what you mean by intrinsic morals?
Intrinsic morals is the assertion that morals are a real feature of the world, and exist whether or not we percieve/believe them.
I don't read it that way
Intrinsic is a "to what" kind of word
Objective morality is a better way to say it imo
Morality can be intrinsic without being objective
*intrinsic to the subject*
Well intrinsic is used to mean it's a feature of something objective of our perception
You can't have intrinsic morals without objectivity
I disagree
I mean, morality can be intrinsic to the self; to some you cease to be you when your morality changes in certain ways
Or intrinsic to the holder of a character trait
Well that isn't what is referred to when we say intrinsic morality
But my point is it isn't equal to intrinsic + morality
I never said it was at all
So, my version fo the phrase is also valid
And I do think considering intrinsic subjective ethics is worthwhile
If I define fish to mean pants I can say I'm wearing fish but that isn't very conducive to a conversation
But that's very different from what I'm doing
I'm taking the meaning of the two words, to make a more literal version of the phrase
That's simply not what is done in philosophy, you take the meaning of it and then address that
You were trying to understand what I was saying and you change it to mean something else
U lads wanna continue arguing or can I post a religion qotd
Well, I'm taking the meaning of the words and addressing them, rather than just the meaning of the phrase
Telling me I can't use intrinsic literally, is kinda weird
That's just bad motives then
You address the meaning of the words rather than a literal denotation of it
I'm not arguing with your usage, I'm defending my usage of the component words to form a similiar phrase of distinct meaning.
You were arguing my usage actually
And pointing out how the phrase as you used it might mislead some people, and be ambiguous to others, the philosophic common term or not
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Its actually more ambiguous to use it your way primarina