Yeah, tbh I don't the golden rule is that good because if I was a criminal I would like not to be punished for a crime so therefore according to the golden rule people shouldn't be punished. It's hard to come up with one good moral system as an atheist.
But I don't believe that there is no "atheistic" argument against pedophilia lol

You don't need God to believe it is wrong

It's not that it's hard to come up with an overarching moral system, that would imply there are intrinsic goals to begin with. It is *impossible* to bridge the is-ought gap in the existentialist framework.

The closest thing would be absurdism, which states we should pretend to have morals for those dopamine releases, but that's how pedophiles get off

There is no atheistic argument against pedophilia because from a pure evolutionary perspective there is nothing wrong with it.

You absolutely need to be religious to have intrinsic morals.

Uh

To believe in objective moral truth does not require belief in god, even among educated folk

See platonism, kantian ethics, utilitarianism

Meanwhile, as an atheist & moral sentimentalist, I believe pedophilia is subjectively / subjectsively wrong and should be forbidden.

I'm unclear on what you mean by intrinsic morals

@primarina my original statement was "under an existentialist/materialist framework that the person I was addressing holds to, so those don't apply.

Ah, ok

Not really clear on existentialist or materialist philosophies, gonna go read up

And calling yourself a moral sentimentalist admits the problem I proposed

Yeah, I wasn't sure whether it would bc I was unclear on your point; can you clarify what you mean by intrinsic morals?

Intrinsic morals is the assertion that morals are a real feature of the world, and exist whether or not we percieve/believe them.

I don't read it that way

Intrinsic is a "to what" kind of word

Objective morality is a better way to say it imo

Morality can be intrinsic without being objective

*intrinsic to the subject*

Well intrinsic is used to mean it's a feature of something objective of our perception

You can't have intrinsic morals without objectivity

I disagree

I mean, morality can be intrinsic to the self; to some you cease to be you when your morality changes in certain ways

Or intrinsic to the holder of a character trait

Well that isn't what is referred to when we say intrinsic morality

I understand that the phrase has a distinct definition

But my point is it isn't equal to intrinsic + morality

I never said it was at all

So, my version fo the phrase is also valid

And I do think considering intrinsic subjective ethics is worthwhile

If I define fish to mean pants I can say I'm wearing fish but that isn't very conducive to a conversation

But that's very different from what I'm doing

I'm taking the meaning of the two words, to make a more literal version of the phrase

That's simply not what is done in philosophy, you take the meaning of it and then address that

You were trying to understand what I was saying and you change it to mean something else

U lads wanna continue arguing or can I post a religion qotd

Well, I'm taking the meaning of the words and addressing them, rather than just the meaning of the phrase

Telling me I can't use intrinsic literally, is kinda weird