Message from @primarina

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2019-10-15 19:10:01 UTC  

But something can be intrinsic to the self

2019-10-15 19:10:23 UTC  

objective is no longer used as a synonym to intrinsic afaik

2019-10-15 19:10:23 UTC  

It *can* but that is a different definition hardly used ever if at all

2019-10-15 19:10:30 UTC  

So how is that less ambiguous

2019-10-15 19:10:49 UTC  

Um, the phrase is ambiguous

2019-10-15 19:10:56 UTC  

As to which interpretation to use

2019-10-15 19:11:03 UTC  

Literally I would be hard pressed to find that in any philosophical work or anything by laymen even

2019-10-15 19:11:08 UTC  

One may be more common, but it is also less accessible

2019-10-15 19:11:23 UTC  

Its actually more accessible

2019-10-15 19:11:39 UTC  

To philosophers who are used to using an abbreviation as a standin

2019-10-15 19:11:42 UTC  

Google "intrinsic morality"

2019-10-15 19:11:52 UTC  

google intrinsic then google morality

2019-10-15 19:12:09 UTC  

How do I disable pings

2019-10-15 19:12:12 UTC  

Morality in and of itself...

2019-10-15 19:12:29 UTC  

Or natural morality

2019-10-15 19:12:39 UTC  

Essential morality

2019-10-15 19:12:53 UTC  

These are all words also used to refer to an objective morality

2019-10-15 19:13:04 UTC  

Dude, intrinsic morality is clearly a shorthand, with a meaning that isn't a literal combination of those two words

2019-10-15 19:13:25 UTC  

Yes it is a literal combination

2019-10-15 19:13:49 UTC  

That morals are intrinsic to reality rather than not being so

2019-10-15 19:14:13 UTC  

Yeah, intrinsic to reality, not merely intrinsic to 'unspecified'

2019-10-15 19:14:27 UTC  

There's a **big** difference

2019-10-15 19:14:43 UTC  

I choose to read that phrase as involving an omission

2019-10-15 19:15:00 UTC  

So that I can use the familiar meanings of the words involved.

2019-10-15 19:15:02 UTC  

The definition is "naturally" that implies it's reality

2019-10-15 19:15:53 UTC  

Um, what

2019-10-15 19:16:08 UTC  

"Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent."

2019-10-15 19:16:22 UTC  

```belonging naturally; essential```

2019-10-15 19:16:48 UTC  

And...?

2019-10-15 19:17:02 UTC  

Natural implies nature, as in natural law and such

2019-10-15 19:17:09 UTC  

Why do you need this phrase to be a literal combination of the two words?

2019-10-15 19:17:20 UTC  

Is it really such a big concession?

2019-10-15 19:17:26 UTC  

I don't, it just isn't ambiguous

2019-10-15 19:17:39 UTC  

Well, I made an argument that it is

2019-10-15 19:17:47 UTC  

You made one that it isn't, and I'm really not buying it.

2019-10-15 19:18:00 UTC  

Just because one could possibly use a definition that no one has used before doesn't make it ambiguous

2019-10-15 19:18:12 UTC  

Again;

2019-10-15 19:18:17 UTC  

Your words have many other definitions also that you don't intend

2019-10-15 19:18:17 UTC  

Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent. (google)