Message from @primarina

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2019-10-15 19:12:09 UTC  

How do I disable pings

2019-10-15 19:12:12 UTC  

Morality in and of itself...

2019-10-15 19:12:29 UTC  

Or natural morality

2019-10-15 19:12:39 UTC  

Essential morality

2019-10-15 19:12:53 UTC  

These are all words also used to refer to an objective morality

2019-10-15 19:13:04 UTC  

Dude, intrinsic morality is clearly a shorthand, with a meaning that isn't a literal combination of those two words

2019-10-15 19:13:25 UTC  

Yes it is a literal combination

2019-10-15 19:13:49 UTC  

That morals are intrinsic to reality rather than not being so

2019-10-15 19:14:13 UTC  

Yeah, intrinsic to reality, not merely intrinsic to 'unspecified'

2019-10-15 19:14:27 UTC  

There's a **big** difference

2019-10-15 19:14:43 UTC  

I choose to read that phrase as involving an omission

2019-10-15 19:15:00 UTC  

So that I can use the familiar meanings of the words involved.

2019-10-15 19:15:02 UTC  

The definition is "naturally" that implies it's reality

2019-10-15 19:15:53 UTC  

Um, what

2019-10-15 19:16:08 UTC  

"Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent."

2019-10-15 19:16:22 UTC  

```belonging naturally; essential```

2019-10-15 19:16:48 UTC  

And...?

2019-10-15 19:17:02 UTC  

Natural implies nature, as in natural law and such

2019-10-15 19:17:09 UTC  

Why do you need this phrase to be a literal combination of the two words?

2019-10-15 19:17:20 UTC  

Is it really such a big concession?

2019-10-15 19:17:26 UTC  

I don't, it just isn't ambiguous

2019-10-15 19:17:39 UTC  

Well, I made an argument that it is

2019-10-15 19:17:47 UTC  

You made one that it isn't, and I'm really not buying it.

2019-10-15 19:18:00 UTC  

Just because one could possibly use a definition that no one has used before doesn't make it ambiguous

2019-10-15 19:18:12 UTC  

Again;

2019-10-15 19:18:17 UTC  

Your words have many other definitions also that you don't intend

2019-10-15 19:18:17 UTC  

Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent. (google)

2019-10-15 19:18:26 UTC  

Yes?

2019-10-15 19:18:38 UTC  

Do you know how essential and natural are used in philosophy

2019-10-15 19:18:48 UTC  

Have you read up on natural law or essentialism?

2019-10-15 19:18:52 UTC  

Look at the webster page

2019-10-15 19:19:55 UTC  

My model allows for both versions of the phrase to make sense, by explaining your version as involving an implicit omission.

2019-10-15 19:20:19 UTC  

You have no model, you called mine "not literal"

2019-10-15 19:20:23 UTC  

Which it clearly is

2019-10-15 19:20:34 UTC  

So, from websters intrinsic

2019-10-15 19:20:39 UTC  

And morality

2019-10-15 19:20:59 UTC  

Is saying objective morality ambiguous because objective can mean unbiased?

2019-10-15 19:21:08 UTC  

You described an argument for those definitions leading to "morality intrinsic to reality"

2019-10-15 19:21:49 UTC  

It is to some people who are uneducated, but we don't worry about that because both versions are so widely used, and are also closely related.