Message from @primarina
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Morality in and of itself...
Or natural morality
Essential morality
These are all words also used to refer to an objective morality
Dude, intrinsic morality is clearly a shorthand, with a meaning that isn't a literal combination of those two words
Yes it is a literal combination
That morals are intrinsic to reality rather than not being so
Yeah, intrinsic to reality, not merely intrinsic to 'unspecified'
There's a **big** difference
I choose to read that phrase as involving an omission
So that I can use the familiar meanings of the words involved.
The definition is "naturally" that implies it's reality
Um, what
"Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent."
```belonging naturally; essential```
And...?
Natural implies nature, as in natural law and such
Why do you need this phrase to be a literal combination of the two words?
I don't, it just isn't ambiguous
Well, I made an argument that it is
You made one that it isn't, and I'm really not buying it.
Just because one could possibly use a definition that no one has used before doesn't make it ambiguous
Again;
Your words have many other definitions also that you don't intend
Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent. (google)
Yes?
Do you know how essential and natural are used in philosophy
Have you read up on natural law or essentialism?
Look at the webster page
My model allows for both versions of the phrase to make sense, by explaining your version as involving an implicit omission.
You have no model, you called mine "not literal"
Which it clearly is
So, from websters intrinsic
And morality
Is saying objective morality ambiguous because objective can mean unbiased?
You described an argument for those definitions leading to "morality intrinsic to reality"
It is to some people who are uneducated, but we don't worry about that because both versions are so widely used, and are also closely related.