Message from @☭ ⊕ Korovsky ⊕ ☭

Discord ID: 651878483877822515


2019-12-04 20:08:47 UTC  

its a command

2019-12-04 20:08:48 UTC  

<:garfilf:606968189640769668>

2019-12-04 20:08:53 UTC  

low IQ Christoid

2019-12-04 20:08:54 UTC  

he's a theologian so it counts as a source

2019-12-04 20:08:55 UTC  

read augustine

2019-12-04 20:09:07 UTC  

and ive read his five ways and stuff

2019-12-04 20:09:10 UTC  

and they arent convincing

2019-12-04 20:09:40 UTC  

read Summa Theologica

2019-12-04 20:09:41 UTC  

okay then we're arguing from a subjective standpoint; even if somebody *can* prove that god exists, you can just go "well it doesn't look like proof to me"

2019-12-04 20:10:09 UTC  

no, i look at their argument and determine whether or not i believe it

2019-12-04 20:10:13 UTC  

which is what i did with Aquinas

2019-12-04 20:10:23 UTC  

your critiques show everyone that u have not actually understood what u have read

2019-12-04 20:10:27 UTC  

okay well run through with me, what were your critiques?

2019-12-04 20:10:50 UTC  

ok ill go over this for the thousandth time

2019-12-04 20:10:54 UTC  

lets start with the firsts one

2019-12-04 20:11:08 UTC  

now i like to have a dialogue, not a monologue

2019-12-04 20:11:16 UTC  

im gonna need a drink for this thirst cause

2019-12-04 20:11:17 UTC  

so please recite the first way

2019-12-04 20:11:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588205956039442452/651878356098351116/uncaused_cause.png

2019-12-04 20:11:56 UTC  

bruh

2019-12-04 20:12:21 UTC  

okay so number one of the first way, our senses prove that some things are in motion
number two, things move when potential motion becomes actual motion,

2019-12-04 20:12:25 UTC  

any objections so far?

2019-12-04 20:12:58 UTC  

nope

2019-12-04 20:12:59 UTC  

addie has essentially conceded before that the argument is logical but he thinks that it doesnt prove god somehow

2019-12-04 20:13:17 UTC  

which show a lack of understanding

2019-12-04 20:13:58 UTC  

number three, only an actual motion can convert a potential motion into an actual motion.
number four, nothing can be at once in both actuality and potentiality in the same respect.

i.e: if both actual and potential, it is actual in one respect and potential in another.

2019-12-04 20:14:13 UTC  

good? any problems?

2019-12-04 20:14:22 UTC  

nope

2019-12-04 20:14:52 UTC  

number five, nothing can move itself
number six, each thing in motion is moved by something else

2019-12-04 20:15:11 UTC  

number seven, the sequence of motion cannot extend *ad infinitum*

2019-12-04 20:15:22 UTC  

do you agree with this, disagree?

2019-12-04 20:15:24 UTC  

not sure how you found that out, but lets keep going

2019-12-04 20:15:36 UTC  

final point of the first way

2019-12-04 20:15:54 UTC  

it is therefore necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other, and this everybody understand to be God

2019-12-04 20:16:02 UTC  

ahhhh there we have it

2019-12-04 20:16:11 UTC  

"and everybody understands this to be God"

2019-12-04 20:16:17 UTC  

okay so

2019-12-04 20:16:20 UTC  

i could replace god with anything

2019-12-04 20:16:22 UTC  

and it would still be valid

2019-12-04 20:16:23 UTC  

lmao no no on

2019-12-04 20:16:27 UTC  

cringe moment