has to logically exist outside of Time itself

since Time is also a factor that is in motion

@Spergerger not sure how he figured those things out

can you soundly demonstrate that at all?

but ok

via logic

so you now admit that this argumentation offers a logical proof for something we refer to as god?

no, if anything it just tells us that there is a first mover. And that is only, when i grant your premises

addie you have shown a lack of comprehension again

okay so what alternatives would there plausibly be?

if not a thing/being that exists outside of time

the characteristics necessary for a first mover are the characteristics of god

literally anything, so long as you claim it exists outside of time

i could make up something right now with those characteristics lol. I also don't agree with a lot of them

what parts did you disagree with?

i thought we went through them

"cannot have any imperfections"

so God is perfectly nonexistant?

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no, which is where we go into the next point

Define perfect please

Cuz it’s pretty damn subjective

yes

what is "perfect"

perfectly evil?

imperfection is unrealised potentiality

or what about perfectly physical

i disagree

well perfect is defined as having all desired or required qualities, characteristics and elements - as good as it is possible to be

but i'm a bit puzzled here, you said you disagreed on a lot of things

which points in particular?

besides eight

Yea what things are desired?

Cuz many contradict each other

this smacks of some kind of omnipotence argument
''durr can god make a square circle''

You can’t be both flat and round for example

Or both calm and angry

it's a bit of a copout to try and disprove via laws that he created; you would have to conclude that somebody who is *outside* of these laws is not beholden to them

since he himself defines what they are

Nah I’m just tryna understand your definition of perfect