Message by Tyrone, in Charlottesville 2.0, #demonstration_tactics

Goldstein Riots 2017-06-16 03:20:51

There are only 2 garages in the area.

Goldstein Riots 2017-06-16 03:30:51

UHaul cargo van would be cheap and could hold a good number of folks, it's not like we will be traveling far.

Goldstein Riots 2017-06-16 03:32:57

This shows the dimensions better.

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 04:29:33

There are two garages downtown. They're both fairly crammed on a regular basis. Even on a random day of the week it can take awhile to drive around and find somewhere to park on the street. Add this size event and I can only imagine the crowds. I'm thinking that you may want to look in to the possibility of an airbnb apartment in the immediate area, there are some apartments right by the park. Possibility an immediate safe house/escape place for anyone higher profile who is not interested in being involved in any foolishness. One with a birds eye view of the park for security purposes would be optimal. I'm thinking it wouldn't be a bad idea to close down the streets surrounding the park itself. @MadDimension have you looked in to that at all? the street on the library side at the least? Other than that having a dedicated crew of people to occupy the on street spots with vehicles surrounding the park would be ideal.

Hand Banana 2017-06-16 07:37:34

@PrimitveXaocWhat are your credentials for planning ingress/egress?l

Hand Banana 2017-06-16 07:38:29

We should designate someone to plan logistics in this regard. Parking, movement to and from the ao

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 10:48:23

In this situation, my credentials happen to be the fact that I've lived here my entire life. How well do you know he area? Also, I was mostly speaking to Jason. Excuse me for offering suggestions.

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:28:22

So are there any large parking lots close to the area that we can use that won't be full? Either a secured lot, or somewhere that has cameras? Like next to a bank?

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:29:55

We should lock down an area where we can all park at that is close by, and a spot to act as a rally point for shuttles. We can't have people walking by themselves to their cars or hotels, and Uber is going to be unreliable.

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:35:40

Garages could be good, but we need to check the clearances on them, as rental vans are quite tall. Is that something you could do @PrimitveXaoc since you live in the area?

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:36:47

Alternatively, if parking is going to be an issue like you say, we could have every group that is bringing passenger vans park at the lots and garages that are nearby and shuttle everyone that attends to lots further away.

TiborSzalasi-MI 2017-06-16 19:37:06

There are only 3 public garages/lots that show up on google

TiborSzalasi-MI 2017-06-16 19:37:12

we likely wont fit in the garages

TiborSzalasi-MI 2017-06-16 19:37:28

there's street parking off in the neighborhood

TiborSzalasi-MI 2017-06-16 19:37:34

but thats dicey as well

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:38:04

The lot we were in last time was close, and it had cameras watching it. We could park there, but it won't fit everybody.

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:42:33

Either way I think the thing to stress here is that we CANNOT do what we did last time and just leave in groups of 3 or 4. We need to travel as one large group.

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 19:46:09

So, in August the Farmer's market downtown is in full swing. That takes up one of the larger secure lots behind the mall beside the larger of the parking garages. For secure close parking I would suggest using the Omni hotel parking garage (private) which is right beside where you all parked last time.(from what I saw from the videos posted) From where I saw you walking in the videos. That one is at least gated and has open areas that do not require clearance. It is also the lesser used of all of the lots.

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 19:46:47

Well, I'd suggest looking in to that as an option.

Tyrone 2017-06-16 19:47:06

Why don't we park on campus?

Tyrone 2017-06-16 19:47:26

School isn't in session and public school campuses are public access

Tyrone 2017-06-16 19:47:41

Shuttle from there

Tyrone 2017-06-16 19:47:57

Plus it will piss people off?

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:48:10

This is where we parked last time.

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:48:18

At least that's where my group parked.

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:48:32

Is this the lot you are saying will be closed?

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 19:49:07

I suggested that earlier as well, there are a few schools in the are none is truly close walking proximity but shuttling, yes.

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 19:49:42

The Omni lot literally connects to that one. Just happens to be more secure, they have security watching the lot cameras etc.

Tyrone 2017-06-16 19:50:23

For egress, we start marching away all together and the shuttles will gradually pick up people from the front

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 19:53:41

Is Omni parking available for the public, or do you need to be a guest? If it is covered, what is the clearance on the ceiling?

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 19:53:47

That is not the lot that will be closed. It is one that fills up faster during the summer time. It really depends on if the locals are going to try to avoid the area like the plague that day.

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 19:56:50

Or how many people will be in town for this event. We don't see a lot of things like this here locally and I imagine it will draw some sizable crowds from all sides.

Tyrone 2017-06-16 20:00:02

Part of me wishes we would crowd fund busses and leave from 5 miles away and roll up right next to the park like the New England Patriots.

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 20:00:23

^^^ there you go 😂

MadDimension 2017-06-16 20:00:26

PARKING: People are either going to need to pay a few shekels to park in the Parking Garage about ($10 for the day) or we can shuttle them in from a nearby location like Darden-Towe Park

Tyrone 2017-06-16 20:00:51

When 6-10 bus loads pull up and unload everyone it would send a message

PrimitveXaoc 2017-06-16 20:01:22

Omni has open and closed lots and also will allow for busses to be parked there as well, you are not required to be a guest.

Heinz - MI 2017-06-16 20:03:10

We can probably shuttle people in, but the shuttles will need to be parked closeby. Omni should work if that's the case.

TiborSzalasi-MI 2017-06-16 20:03:21

@everyone It's absolutely critical that you not mill about in small groups, you'll get overtaken

TiborSzalasi-MI 2017-06-16 20:03:43

every possible effort should be made to link up as soon as possible, shuttling is probably the best bet