Message from @(((El Gringo Narigón)))
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Corporatism is not socialism.
I am a corporatist
Dude I don't care what randoms here say but the point is any market intervention is socialist
A capitalist economy is a free market with 0 state intervention
@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ let's debate our definitions
@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ You are a commie because you live in a governed country.
Socialism relies on social ownership, right? hence the meaning of the word
Social ownership as in workers owning the mop?
@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Social ownership means it is owned or controlled by the collective
Not really no
it can be state aswell
Stop thinking
State ownership is not the same as collective ownership
What
lol
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No. Socialism means that the state regulates and owns the means of production. The state does not own the means of production anywhere outside of maybe North Korea. Hell, even "socialist" countries aren't socialist because in almost every case they don't own the means of production. When we say socialism we invariably mean "attempted socialism" (socialism in reality is actually not even possible to achieve in any large group; it goes directly against human nature).
I never said the economy was socialist
I said the market intervention was a socialist policy
which is the case
...no.
@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Let me explain to you since apparently you don't get it
if the workers
It's not.
as socialism activly tries to get rid of market forces
control the government
yes it is.
if they form unions
and the unions make up the government
If the workers control the government
they are no longer workers
dumbass
That is collective ownership through the state
It's not owning the means of production. It CAN be an ATTEMPT at socialism but it is not sociaalism.
Jesus.
"you can't work and be in government at the same time" <:brainlet:508484031625691156>
El gringo
You're misreading