Message from @(((El Gringo Narigón)))

Discord ID: 540595533652295683


2019-01-31 18:10:53 UTC  

Most in a server of edgy socialists

2019-01-31 18:10:55 UTC  

🤔

2019-01-31 18:11:07 UTC  

Corporatism is not socialism.

2019-01-31 18:11:12 UTC  

I am a corporatist

2019-01-31 18:11:16 UTC  

Dude I don't care what randoms here say but the point is any market intervention is socialist

2019-01-31 18:11:27 UTC  

A capitalist economy is a free market with 0 state intervention

2019-01-31 18:11:47 UTC  

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ let's debate our definitions

2019-01-31 18:11:50 UTC  

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ You are a commie because you live in a governed country.

2019-01-31 18:12:00 UTC  

Socialism relies on social ownership, right? hence the meaning of the word

2019-01-31 18:12:12 UTC  

Social ownership as in workers owning the mop?

2019-01-31 18:12:35 UTC  

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Social ownership means it is owned or controlled by the collective

2019-01-31 18:12:46 UTC  

Not really no

2019-01-31 18:12:49 UTC  

it can be state aswell

2019-01-31 18:12:55 UTC  

Stop thinking

2019-01-31 18:13:04 UTC  

State ownership is not the same as collective ownership

2019-01-31 18:13:10 UTC  

What

2019-01-31 18:13:11 UTC  

lol

2019-01-31 18:13:13 UTC  

....

2019-01-31 18:13:16 UTC  

No. Socialism means that the state regulates and owns the means of production. The state does not own the means of production anywhere outside of maybe North Korea. Hell, even "socialist" countries aren't socialist because in almost every case they don't own the means of production. When we say socialism we invariably mean "attempted socialism" (socialism in reality is actually not even possible to achieve in any large group; it goes directly against human nature).

2019-01-31 18:13:34 UTC  

I never said the economy was socialist

2019-01-31 18:13:39 UTC  

wut

2019-01-31 18:13:39 UTC  

I said the market intervention was a socialist policy

2019-01-31 18:13:42 UTC  

which is the case

2019-01-31 18:13:43 UTC  

...no.

2019-01-31 18:13:44 UTC  

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Let me explain to you since apparently you don't get it

2019-01-31 18:13:45 UTC  

if the workers

2019-01-31 18:13:46 UTC  

It's not.

2019-01-31 18:13:48 UTC  

as socialism activly tries to get rid of market forces

2019-01-31 18:13:48 UTC  

control the government

2019-01-31 18:13:49 UTC  

yes it is.

2019-01-31 18:13:50 UTC  

if they form unions

2019-01-31 18:13:55 UTC  

and the unions make up the government

2019-01-31 18:13:56 UTC  

If the workers control the government

2019-01-31 18:13:59 UTC  

they are no longer workers

2019-01-31 18:14:01 UTC  

dumbass

2019-01-31 18:14:01 UTC  

That is collective ownership through the state

2019-01-31 18:14:04 UTC  

It's not owning the means of production. It CAN be an ATTEMPT at socialism but it is not sociaalism.

2019-01-31 18:14:06 UTC  

Jesus.

2019-01-31 18:14:17 UTC  

"you can't work and be in government at the same time" <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

2019-01-31 18:14:21 UTC  

El gringo

2019-01-31 18:14:24 UTC  

You're misreading