@(((El Gringo Narigón))) That's only according to marxist socialism

@(((El Gringo Narigón))) Any market intervention is socialist, socialist policy. While the economy may not be socialist, that policy is. Because socialism also tries to abolish the market, by removing market forces.

Marxist socialism sees state socialism as the transition phase

This guy is relying on Marx's definition, and strictly so

or really

"Anyways, you've succeeded in making yourself look retarded.
So much for everyone else losing the argument"

Marxist-leninism does

Well looks like you guys did lose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're using the Marxist-Leninist definition of socialism...

Is the USSR the only example of socialism? Surely not

according to you

it isn't

So why rely on their single definition?

No it isn't

theres many others

IT IS

I can give a huge list

oh, okay

I thought you were going to argue it wasn't their definition

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Unless the policy is actually the government taking over an industry, it's more a move towards fascism as it's indirect regulation, not actual takeover.

@The Big Oof so wait...how are you defining socialism?

No el gringo

Any intervention is removing the market forces

Any intervention is a socialist policy

@(((El Gringo Narigón))) Socialism is collective ownership, be it directly by the workers or through it by the workers operating the state

taxation, subsidies, regulations, anti trust laws, tarrifs etc etc

it's the literal

meaning

"Social + ism"

of the work

it's the etymology...

You're trying to justify your defintion over the word looking like that?

By that logic fascism is about fashion

@The Big Oof Fair enough, but would you not agree that the state does end up being the controller whether in the hands of a collective or just the govt doing it in the name of people

Not really no

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ my friend, as a linguist, that is reatarded.

@(((El Gringo Narigón))) Socialism has never been achieved, but that says more about it being a shitty economic system

@The Big Oof BTW I just realized I'm a retard -- there's such a thing as libertarian socialism

Yes there has

so I'm sorry, you're right

I can list so many countries