if the workers

It's not.

as socialism activly tries to get rid of market forces

control the government

yes it is.

if they form unions

and the unions make up the government

If the workers control the government

they are no longer workers

dumbass

That is collective ownership through the state

It's not owning the means of production. It CAN be an ATTEMPT at socialism but it is not sociaalism.

Jesus.

"you can't work and be in government at the same time" <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

El gringo

You're misreading

take time to read up

So any government owners are workers

cool

so socialism is state control

Misreading what, precisely?

My point was proven

Anyways, you've succeeded in making yourself look retarded.

So much for everyone else losing the argument

@(((El Gringo Narigón))) That's only according to marxist socialism

@(((El Gringo Narigón))) Any market intervention is socialist, socialist policy. While the economy may not be socialist, that policy is. Because socialism also tries to abolish the market, by removing market forces.

Marxist socialism sees state socialism as the transition phase

This guy is relying on Marx's definition, and strictly so

or really

"Anyways, you've succeeded in making yourself look retarded.
So much for everyone else losing the argument"

Marxist-leninism does

Well looks like you guys did lose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're using the Marxist-Leninist definition of socialism...

Is the USSR the only example of socialism? Surely not

according to you

it isn't

So why rely on their single definition?

No it isn't

theres many others

IT IS