Message from @(((El Gringo Narigón)))
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No. Socialism means that the state regulates and owns the means of production. The state does not own the means of production anywhere outside of maybe North Korea. Hell, even "socialist" countries aren't socialist because in almost every case they don't own the means of production. When we say socialism we invariably mean "attempted socialism" (socialism in reality is actually not even possible to achieve in any large group; it goes directly against human nature).
I never said the economy was socialist
wut
I said the market intervention was a socialist policy
which is the case
...no.
@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ Let me explain to you since apparently you don't get it
if the workers
It's not.
as socialism activly tries to get rid of market forces
control the government
yes it is.
if they form unions
and the unions make up the government
If the workers control the government
they are no longer workers
dumbass
That is collective ownership through the state
It's not owning the means of production. It CAN be an ATTEMPT at socialism but it is not sociaalism.
"you can't work and be in government at the same time" <:brainlet:508484031625691156>
El gringo
You're misreading
take time to read up
So any government owners are workers
cool
so socialism is state control
Misreading what, precisely?
My point was proven
Anyways, you've succeeded in making yourself look retarded.
So much for everyone else losing the argument
@(((El Gringo Narigón))) That's only according to marxist socialism
@(((El Gringo Narigón))) Any market intervention is socialist, socialist policy. While the economy may not be socialist, that policy is. Because socialism also tries to abolish the market, by removing market forces.
Marxist socialism sees state socialism as the transition phase
This guy is relying on Marx's definition, and strictly so
or really
"Anyways, you've succeeded in making yourself look retarded.
So much for everyone else losing the argument"
Marxist-leninism does
Well looks like you guys did lose
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