Message from @V I T A L I T Y

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2017-08-07 09:01:56 UTC  

is TWP not keeping you in the loop @Hand Banana ? aren't you a member

2017-08-07 09:02:12 UTC  

Arriving early is a poor choice because we have a set permit time. At that time, we can ask the police to remove anybody who is unwelcome from the park. It's not like if antifa gets to the park first, they can sit there and therefore be unmovable for the entire day. Arriving there early only opens up the possibility that a scuffle occurs (highly probable since the police aren't obligated to remove them until our permit time, so it would be up to you to physically remove them). Scuffles can lead to violence can lead to them coming up with some BS to shut the whole shindig down.

2017-08-07 09:02:26 UTC  

it may have been more wise to say "we will not be there to assist you"

2017-08-07 09:03:02 UTC  

so you gonna kick out 2 speakers for being there early?

2017-08-07 09:03:16 UTC  

LOL

2017-08-07 09:04:24 UTC  

i'm going to be doing what my people are going to be doing so whatever..thats when my ride is arriving

2017-08-07 09:05:03 UTC  

sorry 3 speakers

2017-08-07 09:05:05 UTC  

I'm not sure I implied that at all. I'm just stating that if the goal in arriving early is to "secure" the park, that's already going to happen at the permit start time, and it's going to be done by police rather than us.

2017-08-07 09:06:10 UTC  

So going early serves no purpose and only opens up the possibility of violence and all the negative consequences of it.

2017-08-07 09:06:22 UTC  

We know the police will remove people who aren't supposed to be there. But on another level, it is about optics. ANTIFA is trying to look good by making the police remove them and saying they were setting us back. People are showing up before them to deny them that chance.

2017-08-07 09:06:50 UTC  

At the end of the day, if my boss in the League says we will be there, we will be there.

2017-08-07 09:06:50 UTC  

So realistically, you show up early, what are you going to do? Physically remove antifa?

2017-08-07 09:07:27 UTC  

If we beat them to it and occupy the park, we won't have to remove anything if they won't come in for all the angry right wingers waiting for them.

2017-08-07 09:07:39 UTC  

arrive before them and occupy it

2017-08-07 09:07:40 UTC  

Antifa fundamentally are pussies.

2017-08-07 09:07:45 UTC  

maintan a shieldwall around the perimeter

2017-08-07 09:07:49 UTC  

So you'll physically prevent them from entering

2017-08-07 09:08:02 UTC  

I doubt they will try to physically enter if we beat them there.

2017-08-07 09:08:07 UTC  

^^^^^

2017-08-07 09:08:52 UTC  

this has been planned from the start...

2017-08-07 09:08:58 UTC  

I just don't see the point. I understand you want to achieve some optics accomplishment of "Hey, we kept them out of the park," but the entire event is an optics fest for us to show we can occupy physical space in their home town.

2017-08-07 09:09:11 UTC  

yes with police assistance

2017-08-07 09:09:21 UTC  

right?

2017-08-07 09:09:30 UTC  

Yeah, this has been to my knowledge the plan for a long time. I don't know how the "official" planners are just now catching word of it and suddenly have a problem with it.

2017-08-07 09:09:48 UTC  

yeah i've been hearing this was the plan for weeks

2017-08-07 09:10:01 UTC  

thats why i questioned why mccarthy cuontersignalled it

2017-08-07 09:10:07 UTC  

The security planners have been saying from the beginning not to show up early. I don't know what individual groups are saying amongst themselves, but that's never been something security has supported

2017-08-07 09:10:07 UTC  

espeically since a group he belongs to is part of it

2017-08-07 09:10:35 UTC  

Security planners for whom? Every group has their own security detail and their own security plans.

2017-08-07 09:11:00 UTC  

Again, I just think it's kind of pointless. At the end of the day, nobody outside our group is going to care that some of us showed up early and some showed upat the start of the permit. Normies won't differentiate. They don't know this shit

2017-08-07 09:11:02 UTC  

To be honest I'm not even sure what makes this particular group the official planners, half a dozen people are claiming the same thing.

2017-08-07 09:11:25 UTC  

evreybody in here claims to be a security chief or whatever

2017-08-07 09:13:49 UTC  

Because many of us are part of the security team

2017-08-07 09:14:01 UTC  

Again, the security team for whom?

2017-08-07 09:14:07 UTC  

The event

2017-08-07 09:14:08 UTC  

Every group has their own security team.

2017-08-07 09:14:30 UTC  

There is a security staff that is working on event-wide security, not just individual group and individual people's PSOs

2017-08-07 09:14:42 UTC  

cool

2017-08-07 09:14:53 UTC  

so you guys worry about security when the event starts?

2017-08-07 09:15:06 UTC  

Before, during, and after

2017-08-07 09:15:23 UTC  

I have to ask, is this an official security detail agreed upon by everyone involved or a situation of "we decided we are security, so we are the official planners"?