@Nicklis - OH jfc I still don't think that makes it mainstream, though. It just means a certain minority group bitch enough in a most likely Leftist controller city and got what they wanted.

We need real torches this time lol

I'm sure we all have different ideals about how we should present ourselves and I'm sure they each have some pitfalls. We should focus on the reason we're doing this, unity.

We're only strong when we're working as one force

Baby steps seem nice. Survive THEN thrive. lets worry about wether to be fascist or not when all the commies are already dead

We aren't going to get rid of the commies without some fascism.

The normies refusal to see the fascism in the behavior of American heroes past is insipid.

I agree on both angles. We need a good spearhead that appeals to the public. But yes.. If/when the time comes... My NS brothers and I will be the sword. Waiting behind the scenes.

I want a meme of George Washington crossing the Delaware in a Helicopter and throwing "red coats" out along the way

People pretend Lincoln didn't arrest the entire Maryland Assembly.
Pretty Fashy maneuver that.

I know most here align with the alt-south. We would still be foolish to not acknowledge all the parts of our history that counter. The prevailing "good guy/bad guy" Marxist Kike version of history.

Appealing to the public is too Democratic for me. A Biblical example is that the savior, Jesus Christ, was passed up over a common thief Barnabas when left to the public decision

You win public by being their fighter. Their champion.

They don't give two shits if that's in a cross, swastika, pentagram, or a hammer and sickle. If you're their champion they will love you

I guess by public, I mean fellow Whites that could be open to our message. Its obviously not a Populist movement. We only want a specific kind, even anong whites, in our ranks.

Another example is how would you court a woman? Courting public opinion is the same way. You do so by being bold, courageous, and a fighter. If you're unwilling to do those things no amount of swastikas or PRcucking is gonna get you accepted

Every great and successful movement of our type has had the same view on "optics". Present an honest and true message, openly name your enemies, and you will recruit the people who believe in your message and will fight for it. If you try and trick people into supporting you you show you are weak and a liar, and when they find out they will recoil from you, and rightfully so.

Why try to appeal to and recruit people who want nothing to do with you? The NSDAP started with 20 maligned extremists in a bar in Munich. By being open and honest and speaking truth to power you will recruit earnest and honest men who will fight and die for you.

“Generals think war should be waged like the tourneys of the Middle Ages. I have no use for knights; I need revolutionaries.” AH

Joe Normie isn't going to strap on boots and fight communists with you no matter how much you lie about being a White Nationalist and Anti-Semite.

What this illustrates, to me, is the prioritization of social capital and outward appearance over true self presentation of ideas and goals. This is a very feminine behavior.

If we inhibit or deny any tactic we are limiting ourselves.

As things get more tumultuous people will tend radical. One direction or another. It’s only a matter of time before we have people flocking to us and demanding radicalization. We’d better be ready to provide that to them.

Who says anyone is lying about being a white nationalist or anti-Semite? Going around LARPing about wanting a 4th Reich and not softening your image will make Joe Normie shut down and not even want to listen to your point of view. None of this is about lying to appeal to normies. It's about rebranding and being smart about your rhetoric to open up conversation with those on the fence. Obviously, there's a time and place for harsher rhetoric and tactics. And that time will come as whites continue to feel more out of place and discriminated against.

There's a place for and time for everyone from 'moderates' like IE to Aryan Brotherhood prison gang alumni.

We just need leadership with the ingenuity and stomach to embrace a variety of tactics.

For now whomever is organizing earns the right to call the shots. If anyone doesn't like it:
Create your own brand and publicize your own events

I wouldn't call really IE "moderate". Not after being involved in so much activism with the organization and 1 on 1 conversations with IE leadership. Although I am happy we come off that way. We put a lot of work into our brand and optics, and it pays off with how many high quality applicants we usher into the family every week.

We throw them off by with nice guy nationalism... then BAM! Slam the door on the oven.

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Yeah I see IE as moderate since the only thing they are pushing for is whiteness, no preference in fashy economic systems. Barebones white nationalism

IE isn't setting the edge. That's not their role. By have always having someone more extreme it gives anyone less extreme wiggle room.

Well IE is 14 with an optional 88.

This is how the left has worked for a century and it's why they are freaking out now that we have groups even accidentally employing these tactics.

And by having slightly more extremes it tests the waters a bit on what you can get away with in an ideology

Yup, IE can speak to the masses. This frees up the shitlords to rustle some jimmies, and they just need to agree and amplify.

In a world with Richard Spencer getting any attention at all Rep Steve King and Clay Higgins can say things that people yawn at.

We're just not a political organization. We work on a metapolitical level to influence political change. We keep politics out of the public eye.

I agree with the strategy of convincing those on the fence. That's where we are in today's political landscape.

Redpill all the civic nationalists