Message from Gavius Corvus in Charlottesville 2.0 #general_1

2017-07-25 01:50:58 UTC  

@Kurt Them I'm assuming you and your guys won't be helping with security and trying to ensure the event actually happens?

2017-07-25 01:51:10 UTC  

Antifa ARE NOT going to be allowed to camp out in the park

2017-07-25 01:51:46 UTC  

@RCO Nick-TX I do not speak for any group.

2017-07-25 01:52:16 UTC  

What is our access to the police for communication going to be like in the midst of all of this? Generally speaking, the two sides should be relatively easy to distinguish, and point out interlopers to the cops.

2017-07-25 01:53:03 UTC  

I am just pointing out that we should take the option that is the safest and most legal. If the police are willing to clear the park for us, let them.

2017-07-25 01:53:34 UTC  

There will almost 200 police in the park. We have a lot of say in the safest way to deploy them

2017-07-25 01:53:39 UTC  

@Kurt Yea of course. And if they don't?

2017-07-25 01:54:20 UTC  

Then all bets are off

2017-07-25 01:55:11 UTC  

But if the are making the offer, then why not take it and plan on attempting to clear the park ourselves as a contingency.

2017-07-25 01:58:52 UTC  

You put the contingency plan in place in advance. We need to be proactive not reactive. Also if we are not willing to take some risks for what we believe I don't know what to say. This isn't a movement for the risk adverse.

2017-07-25 02:00:58 UTC  

We were talking about weather is was a good idea to have passes at all. Not if the cops say they can control access and fail to do it.

2017-07-25 02:01:32 UTC  

If they say they are going to do something, and they don't we are in a berkely situation.

2017-07-25 02:01:51 UTC  

You operate on the assumption the police will not do their job, not the other way around

2017-07-25 02:02:29 UTC  

Yes I agree.

2017-07-25 02:02:43 UTC  

But that wasnt what we were talking about lol

2017-07-25 02:04:23 UTC  

The thing about the passes is that at best, we get passes in the hands of a fraction of the attendees, and have a bottleneck in the middle of an already chaotic situation while we try to check passes for hundreds of people. It seems like a lot of extra complication for not much improvement on the situation.

2017-07-25 02:04:52 UTC  


2017-07-25 02:05:08 UTC  


2017-07-25 02:05:09 UTC  

@Gavius Corvus the question on the table isn't about passes for the general attendance, but about passes for the setup crew between 10-12

2017-07-25 02:05:25 UTC  

Well, how big does the setup crew have to be?

2017-07-25 02:05:49 UTC  

Seems like something that could be done on the basis of Kessler or other VIP saying "hey, these 10 guys are here to help set up."

2017-07-25 02:05:56 UTC  

The setup crew is irrelevant if you can't gain access to the damn park.

2017-07-25 02:06:01 UTC  

By 10-12 the counter protesters will likely already be out in force.

2017-07-25 02:06:14 UTC  

Ahh yes we must have the "VIP"s guide us

2017-07-25 02:06:19 UTC  

They're all knowing

2017-07-25 02:06:19 UTC  

And I feel that's generous. They'll probably be out a lot earlier.

2017-07-25 02:06:30 UTC  

They can easily take the park

2017-07-25 02:06:41 UTC  

This isnt' a conversation for the general chat

2017-07-25 02:06:43 UTC  

Jesus fucking christ

2017-07-25 02:06:59 UTC  

This is something you decide amongst the coordinators and leadership of the various groups and the nput out guidance

2017-07-25 02:07:09 UTC  

YOu don't ask 500 people what they think the best way to run your event is

2017-07-25 02:07:21 UTC  

^^ good point

2017-07-25 02:07:30 UTC  

No, its fine. Just seeking different points of view

2017-07-25 02:07:39 UTC  

He's trolling us.

2017-07-25 02:08:02 UTC  

We arent getting anywhere at this point. So anyways, who has seen Dunkirk.

2017-07-25 02:08:21 UTC  

@Hand Banana well where are these coordinators?

2017-07-25 02:08:30 UTC  


2017-07-25 02:08:38 UTC  

They disappear when there's a difficult question it seems

2017-07-25 02:09:02 UTC  

It's tedious, especially when the event is just a mere few weeks away

2017-07-25 02:09:06 UTC  

WHo knows dude

2017-07-25 02:09:16 UTC  

and welcome to my world.