>orange man discovers immortality
>people kill themselves in protest

there is no space force. It's simple like AFRICOM or EUCOM etc. simple DOD reorg, like JTAC was with nukes

**contributing

Used to be each branch of the military had charge of their own tactics and deployment of nukes. this resulted in overlap and inefficiency

It's the thought that counts @ManAnimal honestly.

then they consolidated everything nuclear under JTAC

Basically *talking* about Space Force brings it to the public consciousness

whether its up now or not, it will be needed. private companies would get aggressive with each other and start colonizing moons and planets theyre not authorized too.

instead of xenos the first enemies engaged by the space force would definitely be private companies and their private security acting like their own governments

you don't think it is already in the public consciousness?

I think most in the public are just tired of the same old promises

Underscoring it is important.

Moon in 4 yrs... for the last 40 yrs we have heard every President say this

Not that I recall

i dont think so

its private companies that want to go into space

Probably for the better tbh

Still debatable as to whether or not BEING in space can be profitable

Hate to pull it.. Obama? Bush 2? Clinton? Bush 1?

profitable definitely

launching sattellites and visiting? sure. but staying there?

Just a matter of make it so.

>housing
>mining
>prospect of making your own colony and turn a corporation into an actual legal self governing sovereign power

imagine a planet owned solely by disney where they control EVERYTHING

But I absolutely don't recall any "moon in four years" from prior admins.

But truthfully, companies like SpaceX have only been integrators not so much innovators

Skylon if it works would be an innovation

Integration is a step to innovation.

It just works.

but what SpaceX is doing is taking 30 yrs of aerospace work in the industry and integrating it

Yeah, which is absolutely needed.

this is true

That's how efficiency is gained - revision.

The real question is pace of iteration.

But it highlights the uncertainty of whether or not we can make it profitable outside of novelty visits

Efficient enough and I'd think so.

well, the iteration was done with MANY aerospace companies going bankrupt and each moving the ball forward inch by inch

Also, for on lookers, profitability isn't just capital in the form of direct RoI.

this is true especially for the Normies who will tip the balance

personally though, i think much of the new focus comes from 'peer pressure' felt by countries like China and India

the US doesn't want to fall behind

Which is why my argument of why being "hope" is valid in my estimate.