It is that the State overrides the parents, the question is ought it be so?

i am saying the EXACT opposite

And I agree, that it ought *not* be so.

that it is IMPORTANT to have a 'grey zone' that the community has juristiction over

yes, everyone is subject to the law, BUT if no one finds out.....

the State needs to keep it's distance and that means a community must fill that void

@ManAnimal the state shouldn't exist

why can't the community have it's own laws

if you don't have that community, the vaccum will be filled with the State

that way it's offical

I would caveat that the State is neccessary.

and it's less potential for corruption

fill the void with community specific laws

because a community doesn't influence, reward nor enforce with 'laws'

that statment misses the point

LAW is explict

why can't it?

ETHICS is implict

Ethics are the basis for the laws

Community deals which ethics

Anyway be home in about 30 mikes..don't burn the server down in my absence.

the State deals with laws

these are totally different mechanism

I think your conception of "community" is flawed

I'm talking a group of individuals within a certain area

i can remember when we HAD 'community'

@Laucivol the state is not neccessary

small scale

(Also, stop boosting my ego. It's not helpful.)

whereas the state is a larger governing body

i am not so sure your grasp what i am refering to

you see to assume the "community" is the people

and the state is seperate

in the USA, we were ALWAYS defined by acceptance of certain core VALUES

community enforced these values and ridiculed those that didn't respect them

I'm saying you are missusing terms and my misunderstanding comes from his missuse

today, the mechanism of social ridcule has been hijacked

when you say "community" it appears to be that you are talking about the people

there is not community

and the state keeps filling the void