Message from @Vindi

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2019-07-12 07:23:39 UTC  

so can't argue there

2019-07-12 07:25:12 UTC  

when?

2019-07-12 07:25:33 UTC  

Nah I mean fuck most of the other countries let's get pre world war America back, no intervention, strong trade relationships, will only go to war for very close allies like the UK or for actual US interests

2019-07-12 07:26:18 UTC  

Well the thing is, that's basically surrendering the whole rest of the world to be China's hegemon

2019-07-12 07:26:23 UTC  

is the us not still the world hegemon? or are we simply saying it isn't because their grip on the world is not as strong as it was immediately following the death of their rival geopolitical bloc?

2019-07-12 07:26:51 UTC  

death?

2019-07-12 07:26:56 UTC  

yes

2019-07-12 07:27:01 UTC  

the eastern bloc died

2019-07-12 07:27:05 UTC  

the soviet empire

2019-07-12 07:27:11 UTC  

lol, it morphed, not died

2019-07-12 07:27:13 UTC  

US needs to oppose China now or China will "peacefully rise" by gobbling up all of asia and africa and bully europe around, and ultimately start a war with US

2019-07-12 07:27:25 UTC  

it morphed into russo-china

2019-07-12 07:27:29 UTC  

it did die what exists now is just a product of russia reasserting itself

2019-07-12 07:27:34 UTC  

During Trumps WH summit where Tim was at, the media was outside stuck and bitching at everything they could hear.
OH THE SALT
https://youtu.be/0d2eTFA7eIM

2019-07-12 07:27:55 UTC  

dab

2019-07-12 07:28:05 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/598761542200197120/599139901132242954/lgbt.jpg

2019-07-12 07:28:12 UTC  

and funnily despite the fact that russia is quite a bit weaker than the ussr they're managing to expand

2019-07-12 07:28:25 UTC  

And we care for the rest of the world why? Trade ties would be enough to keep a lot of the allies, and we could still oppose China without being super involved

2019-07-12 07:28:30 UTC  

Cut trade ties

2019-07-12 07:28:36 UTC  

Watch China fall

2019-07-12 07:28:47 UTC  

It helps the US if the world likes the US

2019-07-12 07:29:16 UTC  

and if you surrender the world to China, you're just feeding a bigger monster that will eventually try to eat you too

2019-07-12 07:29:16 UTC  

i would be fine with pulling out of the most the world and focusing on building a sphere around the anglosphere and western hemisphere

2019-07-12 07:30:02 UTC  

China has initiated huge wars every single time it "rose", which is like 4 or 5 times

2019-07-12 07:30:29 UTC  

they started with aggression towards neighbors, gobbled everything up they could, they found the biggest target, started a war, lost, and fell apart

2019-07-12 07:30:44 UTC  

it's an enormous mistake to let them do that again

2019-07-12 07:31:02 UTC  

China is a non threat rn if the US stops trade with China China's whole economy crashes when America feels slight shockwaves at most

2019-07-12 07:31:45 UTC  

I think that's an exaggeration. there is a risk of China leapfrogging the US with different military tech. and china's economy is super self sufficient, way more than the US

2019-07-12 07:32:16 UTC  

if china and US cut ties tomorrow, china would be fine, US would have lots of major shocks as the cheap chinese crap isn't available anymore

2019-07-12 07:32:24 UTC  

it would adjust of course, which is good, but it would take time

2019-07-12 07:32:58 UTC  

And we'd still trade with the world if we need to and have actual allies that would fight for US, like the UK would sail to the US mainland to protect the US but most of our "allies" wouldn't

2019-07-12 07:33:06 UTC  

Fuck the ones that wouldn't

2019-07-12 07:33:21 UTC  

only if you hadn't already sold the world down the river

2019-07-12 07:34:02 UTC  

they certainly wouldn't sail to help trump. they hate him with every bone in their body

2019-07-12 07:34:09 UTC  

even the UK I think literally couldn't help

2019-07-12 07:34:31 UTC  

their own defense department has warned that their own multiculturalism may prevent them from taking military action in certain parts of the world

2019-07-12 07:35:26 UTC  

US would feel pretty big Short term effects if they cut ties with China but the Chinese economy is only strong at the moment because it uses the US as a foundation

2019-07-12 07:35:36 UTC  

ie: imagine the UK decided to join the US in some war. basically most of the UK would riot. left wingers, muslims, young people, pretty much all immigrants of any kind, etc, have no investment in helping the UK help the US. only the old generation would

2019-07-12 07:35:48 UTC  

Remove that and China is still economically strong

2019-07-12 07:35:55 UTC  

I think we're past the point of no return with China's self sufficiency

2019-07-12 07:35:57 UTC  

But not superpower level