Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-07-12 05:21:35 UTC  

the problem of scale.

2019-07-12 05:21:52 UTC  

Redistribution of wealth is the less dysfunctional part of socialism

2019-07-12 05:21:55 UTC  

At the end of the day if you take that 99% of the money in 1% of the populations hands and divide it among the other 99% of the population the actual amount of money they get is fuck all.

2019-07-12 05:22:12 UTC  

I did the math on Bill Gates and it was like 1,000 dollars per person

2019-07-12 05:22:23 UTC  

That's minimum wage's monthly income.

2019-07-12 05:22:34 UTC  

collectivization doesn't necessarily = state ownership

2019-07-12 05:22:36 UTC  

Yeah, and also another things

2019-07-12 05:22:40 UTC  

That and 99% of their shit is physical property

2019-07-12 05:22:47 UTC  

which costs too much to be divided

2019-07-12 05:22:48 UTC  

And lastly

2019-07-12 05:22:49 UTC  

It’s a one time deal also

2019-07-12 05:22:55 UTC  

Money has to be concentrated to actually be worth anything.

2019-07-12 05:22:58 UTC  

Nothing in the socialist definition says that wealth must be redistributed to the less fortunate

2019-07-12 05:23:04 UTC  

If i own an office building that's worth a lot

2019-07-12 05:23:05 UTC  

It can go to the wealthy instead

2019-07-12 05:23:08 UTC  

I can do a lot with an office building

2019-07-12 05:23:14 UTC  

if I own one fuckin square foot of an office building

2019-07-12 05:23:17 UTC  

its completely useless.

2019-07-12 05:23:51 UTC  

and also a beurocratic nightmare to even use the building now.

2019-07-12 05:24:01 UTC  

what is this supposed to be analogous to

2019-07-12 05:24:27 UTC  

Yeah idk either, this can also happen under capitalism

2019-07-12 05:24:29 UTC  

Its supposed to be literal.
The building is owned by someone.
You redistribute the wealth of that person including the building.

2019-07-12 05:24:33 UTC  

Also there’s the matter of investment versus consumption spending. The rich would invest more than poor people with the Rich’s resources.

2019-07-12 05:24:33 UTC  

How.

2019-07-12 05:24:49 UTC  

The building costs too much to give it all to one person

2019-07-12 05:25:00 UTC  

its also not useful if you don't own a big chunk of it.

2019-07-12 05:25:03 UTC  

Whatever is owned doesn't neccessarily have to be used

2019-07-12 05:25:16 UTC  

Socialism or capitalism doesn't matter in that regard

2019-07-12 05:25:16 UTC  

You can't sell it to anyone, because nobody can afford to buy the entire thing because you redistributed all the fucking wealth

2019-07-12 05:25:52 UTC  

if you're talking about socialism then it would just be collectively owned?

2019-07-12 05:26:07 UTC  

Furthermore redistributing the wealth is fucking retarded anyway, because even if you did somehow snap your fingers and do it, 0.05 seconds later someone would buy something and wealth would be uneven.

2019-07-12 05:26:17 UTC  

June collective ownership doesn't work beyond like 3-4 people.

2019-07-12 05:26:28 UTC  

i mean what do you mean by work

2019-07-12 05:26:28 UTC  

You have to give it to the state at that point

2019-07-12 05:26:30 UTC  

which isn't the same

2019-07-12 05:26:33 UTC  

no you don't

2019-07-12 05:26:41 UTC  

Redistribution of wealth doesn't mean equal wealth

2019-07-12 05:26:41 UTC  

Depends on what you mean by collective ownership

2019-07-12 05:26:42 UTC  

If you have a car, and 100 people own it, try to use the car.

2019-07-12 05:26:48 UTC  

I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of socialism

2019-07-12 05:27:06 UTC  

there are cooperative businesses with literally millions of employees