Like actually imagine what a factory owned by the entire society would look like

No, you really can't. You can make them state owned, but that means the state owns it, not the population.

How would that function

Collectivizing the means of production doesn't mean the whole society owns the factories

>Even more of a Nationalist, Conservative, and Revolutionary than me

OOF

But that's the intention, that they be used for the collective good.

The point is that its all rhetoric because anarchy is stupid

Revolutionary National Conservatism @Brigade?

But state owned it's not really that, it's for the good of the state.

and it just turns into state owned.

Which is fascism.

It means that the private individual does not own the factories, meaning an individual can only be *allowed to run* a factory, but it can't own it while running it

Yeah but what if you're running it and someone else wants to run it

one of the several million other people in the country

That's one of the problems, yes

and who pays for it

the maintenance

the materials

Practically speaking it doesn't work

The Soviet Union failed because of this exact problem, because you failed upwards

Being truthful was not smart, because it would get you punished. So you lied. And by lying you are a failure, because no one knows how much to produce, or how much you produced.

So incompetence got rewarded

well also they had a shitload of management positions that did literally nothing all day

Yep

Central planned economy is just a nightmare, you can't really do it.

Because if everyone owns something then what the fuck is the point of a manager

You get into so much problem trying to plan a nation level economy.

Well, the manager is there so someone can get punished if things go wrong

collective ownership also just

goes against human nature

So under communism your goal was to not get punished, not to produce optimally

like, if you don't own something why do you give a shit what happens to it

Two people cannot control the same item at the same time

^

You get ineffective resource management, no price to rule by, corruption.

It's a shit hole.

The other issue of redistribution of wealth

Firstly

the problem of scale.

Redistribution of wealth is the less dysfunctional part of socialism