Message from @ETBrooD
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Yeah, but they don't really redistribute the means of porduction.
They just central plan it for "The greater good"
because you can't 'redistribute' the means of production
Yeah, fascism allows for some capitalism
you literally cannot
It's a third position.
its fucking meaningless as a statement.
Actually think about what that means, redistributing the means of production, and try to imagine how it would work.
There are two basic things that define socialism:
1) Redistribute wealth
2) Collectivize the means of production
Same with collectivizing it.
The only way you can do it is to make them part of the state
which is fascism.
Collectivizing is one way of saying "state owned"
That's not collective ownership.
Collectivizing the means of production is not fascism, no
No no no see
You *cant* collectivize the means of production.
It doesn't fucking work
Like actually imagine what a factory owned by the entire society would look like
No, you really can't. You can make them state owned, but that means the state owns it, not the population.
How would that function
Collectivizing the means of production doesn't mean the whole society owns the factories
>Even more of a Nationalist, Conservative, and Revolutionary than me
OOF
But that's the intention, that they be used for the collective good.
The point is that its all rhetoric because anarchy is stupid
Revolutionary National Conservatism @Brigade?
But state owned it's not really that, it's for the good of the state.
and it just turns into state owned.
Which is fascism.
It means that the private individual does not own the factories, meaning an individual can only be *allowed to run* a factory, but it can't own it while running it
Yeah but what if you're running it and someone else wants to run it
one of the several million other people in the country
That's one of the problems, yes
and who pays for it
the maintenance
the materials
Practically speaking it doesn't work