Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-07-12 05:29:09 UTC  

and delegate managerial duties to them

2019-07-12 05:29:15 UTC  

not necessarily

2019-07-12 05:29:16 UTC  

No, not everyone is equal under communism

2019-07-12 05:29:26 UTC  

you're speaking of marxism specifically

2019-07-12 05:29:27 UTC  

In a system with no property, no government, and no money

2019-07-12 05:29:44 UTC  

From each according to their ability to each according to their needs - that's not a matter of equality, nothing in there says that

2019-07-12 05:30:01 UTC  

Socialism and Communism sound like Hinduism but lame and no market economy.

2019-07-12 05:30:16 UTC  

well socialism doesn't mean there can't be a market economy

2019-07-12 05:30:18 UTC  

I bet if you asked Marx right now, he'd probably scoff at the idea of equality

2019-07-12 05:30:21 UTC  

depending on how it's defined at least

2019-07-12 05:30:38 UTC  

"From each according to their ability to each according to their needs" is advocating for equality of outcome dude

2019-07-12 05:30:44 UTC  

No it isn't

2019-07-12 05:30:50 UTC  

Not really

2019-07-12 05:31:07 UTC  

the relationship between marx and egalitarianism is a complicated one

2019-07-12 05:31:22 UTC  

If one produces more, and the other needs more, the extra the one produced goes to the other

2019-07-12 05:31:28 UTC  

it makes no mention of any exchange

2019-07-12 05:31:29 UTC  

it just goes.

2019-07-12 05:31:34 UTC  

It’s more the anarchists that are strictly egalitarian.

2019-07-12 05:31:38 UTC  

No, it's says Each according to their ability.

2019-07-12 05:31:43 UTC  

FROM each

2019-07-12 05:31:56 UTC  

>From each according to their ability
But also
>To each according to their needs

2019-07-12 05:32:10 UTC  

Your needs determine what you gain, you're not supposed to get more than you need

2019-07-12 05:32:17 UTC  

yeah

2019-07-12 05:32:22 UTC  

Everyone has what they *need*

2019-07-12 05:32:23 UTC  

and nothing more.

2019-07-12 05:32:28 UTC  

No, that's wrong

2019-07-12 05:32:33 UTC  

That's central planning

2019-07-12 05:32:34 UTC  

Ie if I had cancer a doctor would give me treatment because the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth has been established

2019-07-12 05:32:39 UTC  

You literally just said "You are not supposed to get more than you need"

2019-07-12 05:33:00 UTC  

You're not supposed to get more than you need by means of socialism, but you can enrich yourself further beyond your needs

2019-07-12 05:33:04 UTC  

Granted they do anyway because marxism is retarded

2019-07-12 05:33:05 UTC  

AFTER all people's needs are met

2019-07-12 05:33:39 UTC  

There is what is SUPPOSED to happen and what ACTUALLY happens in the case of these... systems.

2019-07-12 05:33:46 UTC  

If everyone's needs are met, you can enrich yourself. The true problem of communism lies beyond this idea. It's not about equality.

2019-07-12 05:34:01 UTC  

If this was a product it would sound exactly like a pyramid scheme.

2019-07-12 05:34:03 UTC  

Jack, I know the realistic problems of communism, but we're talking about the theory

2019-07-12 05:34:03 UTC  

For reference we're talking about equality of outcome yes

2019-07-12 05:34:14 UTC  

In theory, equality doesn't matter in communism

2019-07-12 05:34:17 UTC  

Commies believe that moral faults will fade away when capitalism is abolished. Society is then supposed to be purely altruistic.

2019-07-12 05:34:27 UTC  

which its not

2019-07-12 05:34:27 UTC  

Not necessarily equal.