Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-07-12 05:25:16 UTC  

Socialism or capitalism doesn't matter in that regard

2019-07-12 05:25:16 UTC  

You can't sell it to anyone, because nobody can afford to buy the entire thing because you redistributed all the fucking wealth

2019-07-12 05:25:52 UTC  

if you're talking about socialism then it would just be collectively owned?

2019-07-12 05:26:07 UTC  

Furthermore redistributing the wealth is fucking retarded anyway, because even if you did somehow snap your fingers and do it, 0.05 seconds later someone would buy something and wealth would be uneven.

2019-07-12 05:26:17 UTC  

June collective ownership doesn't work beyond like 3-4 people.

2019-07-12 05:26:28 UTC  

i mean what do you mean by work

2019-07-12 05:26:28 UTC  

You have to give it to the state at that point

2019-07-12 05:26:30 UTC  

which isn't the same

2019-07-12 05:26:33 UTC  

no you don't

2019-07-12 05:26:41 UTC  

Redistribution of wealth doesn't mean equal wealth

2019-07-12 05:26:41 UTC  

Depends on what you mean by collective ownership

2019-07-12 05:26:42 UTC  

If you have a car, and 100 people own it, try to use the car.

2019-07-12 05:26:48 UTC  

I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of socialism

2019-07-12 05:27:06 UTC  

there are cooperative businesses with literally millions of employees

2019-07-12 05:27:12 UTC  

that's a lot more than 3 or 4

2019-07-12 05:27:32 UTC  

Socialism is supposed to plug all the holes basically so no one has to suffer, that's the theory at least

2019-07-12 05:27:37 UTC  

It's not supposed to make everyone equal

2019-07-12 05:27:41 UTC  

So do they pay a fee when they join the company to buy part of it

2019-07-12 05:28:27 UTC  

How the fuck does everyone owning everything in the entire company work
Someone bought the equipment.

2019-07-12 05:28:35 UTC  

someone handles the money and signs paychecks

2019-07-12 05:28:41 UTC  

It doesn't need to be owned by everyone, how often do I have to explain that

2019-07-12 05:28:51 UTC  

Socialism doesn't say anything about equality

2019-07-12 05:28:52 UTC  

Then who is the 'collective'

2019-07-12 05:29:00 UTC  

yeah usually the owners vote on the managerial staff

2019-07-12 05:29:01 UTC  

The goal of socialism is to establish communism

2019-07-12 05:29:06 UTC  

a system in which everyone is equal

2019-07-12 05:29:09 UTC  

and delegate managerial duties to them

2019-07-12 05:29:15 UTC  

not necessarily

2019-07-12 05:29:16 UTC  

No, not everyone is equal under communism

2019-07-12 05:29:26 UTC  

you're speaking of marxism specifically

2019-07-12 05:29:27 UTC  

In a system with no property, no government, and no money

2019-07-12 05:29:44 UTC  

From each according to their ability to each according to their needs - that's not a matter of equality, nothing in there says that

2019-07-12 05:30:01 UTC  

Socialism and Communism sound like Hinduism but lame and no market economy.

2019-07-12 05:30:16 UTC  

well socialism doesn't mean there can't be a market economy

2019-07-12 05:30:18 UTC  

I bet if you asked Marx right now, he'd probably scoff at the idea of equality

2019-07-12 05:30:21 UTC  

depending on how it's defined at least

2019-07-12 05:30:38 UTC  

"From each according to their ability to each according to their needs" is advocating for equality of outcome dude

2019-07-12 05:30:44 UTC  

No it isn't

2019-07-12 05:30:50 UTC  

Not really

2019-07-12 05:31:07 UTC  

the relationship between marx and egalitarianism is a complicated one

2019-07-12 05:31:22 UTC  

If one produces more, and the other needs more, the extra the one produced goes to the other