Message from @Lios

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2019-08-25 23:44:09 UTC  

Stem cell research, civil liberties, and them being around you cannot mock Islam either without being hypocritical.

2019-08-25 23:44:17 UTC  

Agreed @Zakhan

2019-08-25 23:44:45 UTC  

This is more relevant to Europe with hatespeech laws and even blasphemy laws (protected by conservatives as well, despite anti-Islamic speech being primary target).

2019-08-25 23:44:57 UTC  

Conservatives are shielding anti-Islamic information war.

2019-08-25 23:45:04 UTC  

My anti-theistic stance is simply: Hey you dumb fucks. There will be hundreds of more lifetimes past yours, and at some point, the planet upon which we stand is gonna be fucked, so stop bitching about your hopeful afterlife, and get to work on fixing the issue of the fact that we're all gonna die.

2019-08-25 23:45:17 UTC  

Because they want to keep the blasphemy laws in the law book to protect Christian sensibilities.

2019-08-25 23:45:19 UTC  

This actually concerned me personally, because I realized I had little meaning in life besides friends and close family (although that is pretty decent). So I decided to find my own meaning in life where I don't see objective meaning, hence I'm an absurdist

2019-08-25 23:45:56 UTC  

I do think Christianity is shielding Islam from critique.

2019-08-25 23:46:02 UTC  

In a sort of existentialist sense?

2019-08-25 23:46:11 UTC  

Yeah

2019-08-25 23:46:12 UTC  

Depends on where you are, whiic.

2019-08-25 23:46:14 UTC  

Laws written to protect Christinity are used to protect Islam from being exposed.

2019-08-25 23:46:42 UTC  

Even writing about what's written in Qu'ran and Hadith's to expose it, is a crime in Finland.

2019-08-25 23:46:48 UTC  

Some countries have shit like that and some countries don't.

2019-08-25 23:47:45 UTC  

Also, the state church has toyed with the idea of functioning as sanctuary for deportees. Imagine why I'm fucking anti-theist, incl. anti-Christian.

2019-08-25 23:48:25 UTC  

These are institutions doing bad shit and inspiring bad shit.

2019-08-25 23:48:31 UTC  

Imagine having a state religion for starters.

2019-08-25 23:48:37 UTC  

Well, Britons have that too.

2019-08-25 23:49:01 UTC  

I've seen footage of police raides on churches that hide illegal immigrants, which of course right now mostly includes Muslim immigrants.

2019-08-25 23:49:05 UTC  

Even in modern day, religious institutions like churches still hold too much sway out of favor of older laws.

2019-08-25 23:49:23 UTC  

They get to ignore new laws in some circumstances

2019-08-25 23:49:26 UTC  

@ETBrooD Did they raid actual churches or mosques?

2019-08-25 23:49:47 UTC  

And still "deus vult" is solution, when Christians **are the problem to begin with**?

2019-08-25 23:50:15 UTC  

Churches

2019-08-25 23:50:16 UTC  

They are not the source problem. Humanity is always going to be the source problem.

2019-08-25 23:50:31 UTC  

Our nature is an issue of source, but there's no fixing that

2019-08-25 23:50:53 UTC  

I can sympathize with the misanthropic take on the issue.

2019-08-25 23:51:14 UTC  

We've repeated our history for over 10,000 years in terms of society

2019-08-26 00:00:51 UTC  

I can't find the footage, should've saved it, but it was years ago. Church raids are happening though, so the churches are acting against the government, proving that some of them think the immigration laws are against their faith.
I found one article that shows these raids are happening even in some European countries.
https://www.savemysweden.com/police-raid-the-church-of-sweden-for-illegal-muslim-immigrants/

2019-08-26 00:03:53 UTC  

Some Christians believe that no man should be stopped from travelling across a border, I don't know the exact justification for that though since I don't care to read the bible, but I could ask my father who is quite a knowledgable Christian.

2019-08-26 00:04:30 UTC  

I think it's the sanctity of life argument, but that seems like a stretch

2019-08-26 00:04:57 UTC  

Must be something else

2019-08-26 00:19:10 UTC  

Well I guess the only real conclusion is that Christianity itself is neither for nor against illegal immigrants, it depends on the individual's interpretation of the Bible. Maybe one side is in fact correct and the other is not, but currently there is no consensus. So we can't really say Christians are either allies or enemies in the fight against Islam.

2019-08-26 00:37:30 UTC  

Except that the side that is an "ally" in fight agaisnt Islam is also in fight against atheism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

2019-08-26 00:37:44 UTC  

So it's either slay the unbeliever, or not.

2019-08-26 00:37:58 UTC  

And if not, they are pro-Islam because they worship the **same God**.

2019-08-26 00:39:06 UTC  

So, as an atheist, Christianity is a problem either way: either they ally with Islam and provide them a shield from critique (whether by blasphemy law or by soft tyranny of social acceptance)... or they want me dead.

2019-08-26 00:39:17 UTC  

Either way, Christinity is my enemy.

2019-08-26 00:39:37 UTC  

(I don't say it's equal enemy to Islam. Islam is priority.)

2019-08-26 00:39:50 UTC  

Christianity is not pro-Islam just because they share their God worship