For example

A right to a weapon means a right to self defense means a right to life.

rights arent rights if they can just be taken away

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU not true

That would be inherent rights

Most rights can be taken away

then they arent rights

theyre privilages

a right is something that cant be taken away

Ever hear of civil rights? Not civil privileges.

the fundamental thing of civil rights is that people are created equal

In a day and age with slavery

Rights not privileges

slaves didnt have rights taken away

they gained them

thats different

Equal?

Was every person a slave?

How can you gain rights?

If you cannot lose them?

its a good question

i dont have the words to exactly answer that

i still think it is different, maybe to do with natural right vs law given rights

but i cant at the moment formulate the right words so you got me there

Slaves weren't considered people, thus didn't have a person's rights.

But they became people

Did they not?

depends if you still vote for the Dems in 2020

KEK

sorry, derailing

I really don;t see how a right to life could ever be conceived of as inherent. Life is not something you just get by default. You are an organism with very specific requirements... It's just not *accurate* to say you just *have* that right.

Then there are no rights

At all

cool

so we got over that hurdle

^^

think defining what a Right is would be good here

This is Thomas Paine type shit.

I think all animals possess the instinct and right to seek their own self preservation. Which is to say you would not fault a goat for fleeing a wolf; Nor a ram for fighting one.

On the other hand, i might actually be inclined to agree that no one has a right to life, in so far as their existence needs must rely on the alienation of the labor of others.

Just because you wish to live does not make theft legal, in simple terms.

my biggest gripe is with freedom specifically

it;s a massive undertaking to make yourself *vaguely* free in any meaningful sense