At all

cool

so we got over that hurdle

^^

think defining what a Right is would be good here

This is Thomas Paine type shit.

I think all animals possess the instinct and right to seek their own self preservation. Which is to say you would not fault a goat for fleeing a wolf; Nor a ram for fighting one.

On the other hand, i might actually be inclined to agree that no one has a right to life, in so far as their existence needs must rely on the alienation of the labor of others.

Just because you wish to live does not make theft legal, in simple terms.

my biggest gripe is with freedom specifically

it;s a massive undertaking to make yourself *vaguely* free in any meaningful sense

but stealing is depriving others of their rights to their own labour/ their possessions they bought with that labour

saying you are inherently free is nonsensical to the extreme

meanwhile, alternatives are available

You cannot argue for the existence of a right to existence while trying to make claims to the efforts of others without a mutual exchange of goods or labor, or the currency which represents it.

a baby is not free
it;s not even able to get to the concept of freedom on its own

i think that with the fact people dont starve and dehydrate if they arent trying to do those things

is enough of a supplies Right to life

anything more than that would be depriving others of rights

when it comes to medicine, you just go in debt for it, which doesnt necessarily conflict with a right to life

but because self sustaining needs are supplied for to maintain Life, you now have to deal with Liberty

thus defined a right to life is something fucking peasants had, at least formally, in the middle ages

lol

one of the stipulations of which is that you cant steal

because its the taking of other's liberty

no random killing o ppl for no reason is not exactly an innovative, Liberal concept...

to own things

I mean peasants often did just get sort of killed in the street for now bowing low enough.

not*

eh, not rly

das far too much of a cliche

apparently thats still the case but with wokeness

sometimes they did

but it was always seen as an outrage

at least in Chritsianland

there were fucking RIOTS over a student getting killed by police under Louis IX of France

Luois *IX*

XIIIth century

it caused international outrage

Outside of the confines of a social hierarchy, a human being knows no master; They speak as they see fit, defend themselves as they see fit, and conduct themselves as they see fit. From that state, 'Natural Rights' spring forth. You needs must be free to protect yourself and speak your mind, else you are little more than a serf.

Where the others come from is an agreed upon selection of codified Legal Rights, as determined by the precise nature of the social contract that people form together.

From that state, 'Natural Rights' spring forth.
what does that mean?

what does 'spring up' form that state?

also: what the fuck is outside of social hierarchy?