Message from @Tonight at 11 - DOOM

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2019-09-09 01:28:26 UTC  

i still think it is different, maybe to do with natural right vs law given rights

2019-09-09 01:28:37 UTC  

but i cant at the moment formulate the right words so you got me there

Slaves weren't considered people, thus didn't have a person's rights.

2019-09-09 01:28:59 UTC  

But they became people

2019-09-09 01:29:03 UTC  

Did they not?

2019-09-09 01:29:16 UTC  

depends if you still vote for the Dems in 2020

2019-09-09 01:29:17 UTC  

KEK

2019-09-09 01:29:28 UTC  

sorry, derailing

2019-09-09 01:30:13 UTC  

I really don;t see how a right to life could ever be conceived of as inherent. Life is not something you just get by default. You are an organism with very specific requirements... It's just not *accurate* to say you just *have* that right.

2019-09-09 01:30:47 UTC  

Then there are no rights

2019-09-09 01:30:49 UTC  

At all

2019-09-09 01:30:56 UTC  

cool

2019-09-09 01:31:05 UTC  

so we got over that hurdle

2019-09-09 01:31:08 UTC  

^^

2019-09-09 01:31:19 UTC  

think defining what a Right is would be good here

2019-09-09 01:33:39 UTC  

This is Thomas Paine type shit.

I think all animals possess the instinct and right to seek their own self preservation. Which is to say you would not fault a goat for fleeing a wolf; Nor a ram for fighting one.

On the other hand, i might actually be inclined to agree that no one has a right to life, in so far as their existence needs must rely on the alienation of the labor of others.

Just because you wish to live does not make theft legal, in simple terms.

2019-09-09 01:35:55 UTC  

my biggest gripe is with freedom specifically

2019-09-09 01:36:21 UTC  

it;s a massive undertaking to make yourself *vaguely* free in any meaningful sense

2019-09-09 01:36:23 UTC  

but stealing is depriving others of their rights to their own labour/ their possessions they bought with that labour

2019-09-09 01:36:38 UTC  

saying you are inherently free is nonsensical to the extreme

2019-09-09 01:36:45 UTC  

meanwhile, alternatives are available

You cannot argue for the existence of a right to existence while trying to make claims to the efforts of others without a mutual exchange of goods or labor, or the currency which represents it.

2019-09-09 01:37:46 UTC  

a baby is not free
it;s not even able to get to the concept of freedom on its own

2019-09-09 01:37:49 UTC  

i think that with the fact people dont starve and dehydrate if they arent trying to do those things

2019-09-09 01:37:55 UTC  

is enough of a supplies Right to life

2019-09-09 01:38:20 UTC  

anything more than that would be depriving others of rights

2019-09-09 01:38:45 UTC  

when it comes to medicine, you just go in debt for it, which doesnt necessarily conflict with a right to life

2019-09-09 01:39:12 UTC  

but because self sustaining needs are supplied for to maintain Life, you now have to deal with Liberty

2019-09-09 01:39:27 UTC  

thus defined a right to life is something fucking peasants had, at least formally, in the middle ages

2019-09-09 01:39:27 UTC  

lol

2019-09-09 01:39:38 UTC  

one of the stipulations of which is that you cant steal

2019-09-09 01:39:56 UTC  

because its the taking of other's liberty

2019-09-09 01:39:57 UTC  

no random killing o ppl for no reason is not exactly an innovative, Liberal concept...

2019-09-09 01:39:59 UTC  

to own things

I mean peasants often did just get sort of killed in the street for now bowing low enough.

2019-09-09 01:40:31 UTC  

eh, not rly

2019-09-09 01:40:37 UTC  

das far too much of a cliche

2019-09-09 01:40:39 UTC  

apparently thats still the case but with wokeness

2019-09-09 01:40:45 UTC  

sometimes they did