Message from @Tonight at 11 - DOOM

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Outside of the confines of a social hierarchy, a human being knows no master; They speak as they see fit, defend themselves as they see fit, and conduct themselves as they see fit. From that state, 'Natural Rights' spring forth. You needs must be free to protect yourself and speak your mind, else you are little more than a serf.

Where the others come from is an agreed upon selection of codified Legal Rights, as determined by the precise nature of the social contract that people form together.

2019-09-09 01:44:47 UTC  

From that state, 'Natural Rights' spring forth.
what does that mean?

2019-09-09 01:45:00 UTC  

what does 'spring up' form that state?

2019-09-09 01:45:16 UTC  

also: what the fuck is outside of social hierarchy?

2019-09-09 01:45:19 UTC  

like actually?

When stripped of the presence of other human beings, there is no external force to forcibly silence you or strip from your means of self-defense short of violent death at the hands of a local predator. There is no beam of magic light that smites you when you say a naughty word; No fines for killing that bobcat with a boulder.

2019-09-09 01:46:50 UTC  

perhaps conceptually

2019-09-09 01:46:54 UTC  

ok, but that is just gay abstraction

2019-09-09 01:46:58 UTC  

but thats a different story all together

2019-09-09 01:47:12 UTC  

with little to no incidence on everyday life

Everyday life now is very much removed from man's original state, you know.

2019-09-09 01:47:42 UTC  

and I don see how it makes your rights inherent

2019-09-09 01:48:03 UTC  

man's original state is nothing like the ppl who wrote that shit thought, you know?

2019-09-09 01:48:15 UTC  

they were Rousseauian noble savage kinds

2019-09-09 01:48:21 UTC  

yet so similar

2019-09-09 01:48:21 UTC  

that was 'in' at the time

2019-09-09 01:48:36 UTC  

and we pretty much know that that is bullshit

2019-09-09 01:48:51 UTC  

men never lived alone

2019-09-09 01:48:52 UTC  

ever

2019-09-09 01:49:03 UTC  

we're pack animals

2019-09-09 01:49:12 UTC  

with psychologies evolved to be like that

2019-09-09 01:50:04 UTC  

society is not second to human nature, they are one and the same

We are by our very natures lonely, social creatures, yes. Socializing and society are not one in the same I would argue, however. I've never seen a gorilla tax another gorilla.

2019-09-09 01:51:23 UTC  

the nature has changed

2019-09-09 01:51:41 UTC  

we still go out into the wilderness, and chase after food

2019-09-09 01:51:44 UTC  

I mean gorillas are not humans, so sure

2019-09-09 01:51:47 UTC  

I'm not saying they are

2019-09-09 01:51:59 UTC  

its just the wilderness is an office cube, and you get something you trade in for snackies

2019-09-09 01:52:08 UTC  

I'm saying this 'what human is in abstraction ofrom society' mode of thinking is inherently flawed

2019-09-09 01:52:13 UTC  

and the ladies like it when you have more snackies than the chimp next door

2019-09-09 01:52:20 UTC  

because ther eis no such thin as a human outside of society

2019-09-09 01:52:28 UTC  

at least not outside of weird fringe cases

2019-09-09 01:52:35 UTC  

that probably end in mental illness

Plenty of people keep trying to escape society, at least. Not that I can fault them for it.

2019-09-09 01:53:01 UTC  

society at large is like a troupe

2019-09-09 01:53:12 UTC  

like with lions, the male ones sometimes think the society is shit

2019-09-09 01:53:14 UTC  

and make their own

2019-09-09 01:53:29 UTC  

stalk the edges of other socieities, and try to sneak in some humpa humpa

2019-09-09 01:53:50 UTC  

but since societies are so big now

2019-09-09 01:53:58 UTC  

its not wonder globalism is being resisted how it is

2019-09-09 01:54:08 UTC  

imagine not being able to go anywhere different