Message from Jeremy in Athens #piraeus_politics_news
That's correct, and the experiment doesn't give you any of this information on the subjects.
One of those subjects could've tested on the autism spectrum for all we know, and perhaps they have a lack of empathy. There are many, many factors to consider far beyond the presence of an authority figure, which as I said, is fertile ground for more experimentation. Attempts to replicate the experiment is shunned among academia, however, as questions of ethics arise.
I was reading back and saw you mention that you had adopted Objectivist philosophy with your classical liberalism. It's interesting to me because that's the case with me too. I think there's a few problems with liberalism that Objectivism offers solutions to and that's why it seemed like a natural progression, at least for me.
Liberalism took a wrong turn toward that which we once despised, Jacovich, turning toward ideological manifestations that're not suitable toward the ends of preserving individual liberty, while Objectivism is consistent with Classical Liberalism in its observations, values, etc. They both have an intrinsic recognition of natural order. So, I do posses the same view as you, as it were a natural progression.
I wouldn't say liberalism has taken a wrong turn
I believe the label has been adopted by non-liberals
Well, of course it has. Classical Liberalism was radically individualist, and it has taken a turn toward radical collectivism. I would argue the wrong people have been branded as liberals, if anything.
Just as Samuel Adams once remarked, "How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"
Have you also seen the occasional person equating authoritarianism with liberalism?
Agreed, a strong state revolving around a strong leader is required to lead the people to greatness. @Jeremy
Oh, yes, in modern times.
Every blue moon someone comes out and does that, it's odd
A sign of the times perhaps
You'll either see an authoritarian that's proclaiming to be a liberal, or you'll see an authoritarian outside their shell accusing Classically Liberal, non-ideologues of being authoritarians.
In times of need we always go back to fascism.
Makes sense actually
Especially considering how perverted the term "liberal" is these days
Perversion on a scale I've never before seen.
It's being used to describe authoritarian ideas, as well as degeneracy and even murder
Weez, I believe you possess a misunderstanding of fascism, if you truly mean that.
The people who do this, I often wonder if they know what they're doing, or if they're ideologically inept
I’m just shitposting, don’t worry
Why would you wish to regulate out free-market processes and artificially inflate the value of goods and services, while seizing the gears of innovation? That's an odd desire, if you're in a time of need, given it's contrary to serving your needs.
We swing left to right, liberal to authoritarianism
Never far enough for fascism, sadly
I think that because liberalism was grounded in theological ethics it was ultimately doomed from the start. Freedom can't be grounded in the arbitrary.
So on the one hand you had atheism come out of the age of reason and you also had a political system of freedom but it was founded on God. The two were bound to be at odds.
The markets are a tool to be used, I’m not ideologically attached to them, like my life depended on it; as most people here are.
I’ll bend it, use it, abuse it to suit my needs.
I mean, I understand the expedient desire to wipe out those who wish to superimpose an ideology upon you - I get that. But, that conclusion may lead to a subversion of your intent, as evinced by history. The best way is to simply dissolve the means by which they'd seek to do so and remain armed, organized with your like-minded brethren.
Ah, so you're just a pirate floating on by.
Moral nihilism is what I'd call it.
The dark side of objectivism.
@ETBrooD, some of it is by design, others by merely becoming a subject of the designers influence or mere ignorance, going back to the subject of revisionism.
Oh yeah, like Coach Redpill
I am ideologically attached to markets because trading with other people is the best way for me to live as a human.