Message from Jeremy in Athens #piraeus_politics_news


2019-09-10 10:17:07 UTC  

That's correct, and the experiment doesn't give you any of this information on the subjects.

2019-09-10 10:18:59 UTC  

One of those subjects could've tested on the autism spectrum for all we know, and perhaps they have a lack of empathy. There are many, many factors to consider far beyond the presence of an authority figure, which as I said, is fertile ground for more experimentation. Attempts to replicate the experiment is shunned among academia, however, as questions of ethics arise.

2019-09-10 10:21:30 UTC  

I was reading back and saw you mention that you had adopted Objectivist philosophy with your classical liberalism. It's interesting to me because that's the case with me too. I think there's a few problems with liberalism that Objectivism offers solutions to and that's why it seemed like a natural progression, at least for me.

2019-09-10 10:22:01 UTC  

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2019-09-10 10:26:00 UTC  

Liberalism took a wrong turn toward that which we once despised, Jacovich, turning toward ideological manifestations that're not suitable toward the ends of preserving individual liberty, while Objectivism is consistent with Classical Liberalism in its observations, values, etc. They both have an intrinsic recognition of natural order. So, I do posses the same view as you, as it were a natural progression.

2019-09-10 10:26:29 UTC  

I wouldn't say liberalism has taken a wrong turn

2019-09-10 10:26:46 UTC  

I believe the label has been adopted by non-liberals

2019-09-10 10:27:20 UTC  

Well, of course it has. Classical Liberalism was radically individualist, and it has taken a turn toward radical collectivism. I would argue the wrong people have been branded as liberals, if anything.

2019-09-10 10:27:24 UTC  

Indeed.

2019-09-10 10:27:57 UTC  

Just as Samuel Adams once remarked, "How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"

2019-09-10 10:28:11 UTC  

Have you also seen the occasional person equating authoritarianism with liberalism?

2019-09-10 10:28:44 UTC  

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2019-09-10 10:28:48 UTC  

Agreed, a strong state revolving around a strong leader is required to lead the people to greatness. @Jeremy

2019-09-10 10:28:51 UTC  

Oh, yes, in modern times.

2019-09-10 10:29:17 UTC  

Every blue moon someone comes out and does that, it's odd

2019-09-10 10:29:25 UTC  

A sign of the times perhaps

2019-09-10 10:29:45 UTC  

You'll either see an authoritarian that's proclaiming to be a liberal, or you'll see an authoritarian outside their shell accusing Classically Liberal, non-ideologues of being authoritarians.

2019-09-10 10:29:45 UTC  

In times of need we always go back to fascism.

2019-09-10 10:30:06 UTC  

Makes sense actually

2019-09-10 10:30:26 UTC  

Especially considering how perverted the term "liberal" is these days

2019-09-10 10:30:46 UTC  

Perversion on a scale I've never before seen.

2019-09-10 10:30:59 UTC  

It's being used to describe authoritarian ideas, as well as degeneracy and even murder

2019-09-10 10:31:16 UTC  

Weez, I believe you possess a misunderstanding of fascism, if you truly mean that.

2019-09-10 10:31:21 UTC  

The people who do this, I often wonder if they know what they're doing, or if they're ideologically inept

2019-09-10 10:31:58 UTC  

Iโ€™m just shitposting, donโ€™t worry

2019-09-10 10:32:16 UTC  

Why would you wish to regulate out free-market processes and artificially inflate the value of goods and services, while seizing the gears of innovation? That's an odd desire, if you're in a time of need, given it's contrary to serving your needs.

2019-09-10 10:32:24 UTC  

We swing left to right, liberal to authoritarianism

2019-09-10 10:32:31 UTC  

Never far enough for fascism, sadly

2019-09-10 10:33:02 UTC  

>sadly

2019-09-10 10:33:40 UTC  

I think that because liberalism was grounded in theological ethics it was ultimately doomed from the start. Freedom can't be grounded in the arbitrary.
So on the one hand you had atheism come out of the age of reason and you also had a political system of freedom but it was founded on God. The two were bound to be at odds.

2019-09-10 10:33:48 UTC  

The markets are a tool to be used, Iโ€™m not ideologically attached to them, like my life depended on it; as most people here are.

2019-09-10 10:33:58 UTC  

Iโ€™ll bend it, use it, abuse it to suit my needs.

2019-09-10 10:34:27 UTC  

I mean, I understand the expedient desire to wipe out those who wish to superimpose an ideology upon you - I get that. But, that conclusion may lead to a subversion of your intent, as evinced by history. The best way is to simply dissolve the means by which they'd seek to do so and remain armed, organized with your like-minded brethren.

2019-09-10 10:34:38 UTC  

Ah, so you're just a pirate floating on by.

2019-09-10 10:34:40 UTC  

Lol.

2019-09-10 10:35:10 UTC  

Moral nihilism is what I'd call it.

2019-09-10 10:35:21 UTC  

The dark side of objectivism.

2019-09-10 10:35:42 UTC  

@ETBrooD, some of it is by design, others by merely becoming a subject of the designers influence or mere ignorance, going back to the subject of revisionism.

2019-09-10 10:36:15 UTC  

Oh yeah, like Coach Redpill

2019-09-10 10:36:36 UTC  

I am ideologically attached to markets because trading with other people is the best way for me to live as a human.

2019-09-10 10:36:54 UTC  

@Weez, you don't believe China has moved far enough, yet?