Message from Eccles in Athens #piraeus_politics_news


2019-09-10 10:59:50 UTC  

No, the House of Representatives. They'd select peers among them to ascend.

2019-09-10 11:00:00 UTC  

That sounds like a terrible idea

2019-09-10 11:00:19 UTC  

Why do you think that's the case?

2019-09-10 11:00:34 UTC  

You would see the likes of California and Washington State and New York trounce over the flyover states?

2019-09-10 11:00:50 UTC  

You would be a failed socilaist state in a heartbeat

2019-09-10 11:00:53 UTC  

Of course not, as that's the case as it were now.

2019-09-10 11:01:11 UTC  

You'll have to read through my post.

2019-09-10 11:01:34 UTC  

Explain how neutering the senate improves the situation

2019-09-10 11:03:26 UTC  

If I were looking to solve Americas political issues, i'd be stripped power away from the federal government, not cementing it

2019-09-10 11:03:42 UTC  

Neutering the Senate? This doesn't neuter the Senate, rather it returns a degree of their sovereignty from the daily whims that should remain at the level of the House. It would, in fact, empowering them to carry out their constitutional duties without regard for popular sentiments, which seems to be something we should aim toward protecting ourselves from, these days.

2019-09-10 11:03:57 UTC  

It gives more room for Palpatine's personal decision making ofc @Eccles

2019-09-10 11:06:03 UTC  

That does strip power away from the Federal government, @Eccles, as it would return power to the district in appointing their Senators. Popular political sentiment sides with expansionary power.

2019-09-10 11:06:42 UTC  

The Senate was never meant to be subject to those sentiments.

2019-09-10 11:07:01 UTC  

That's arse backwards - the representatives are elected essentially proportional to the population

2019-09-10 11:07:28 UTC  

If you then give the power to select senators to those representatives, you're stripping away the protections built into the system for less-populace states

2019-09-10 11:07:38 UTC  

No, the amount of seats available to a State is proportional to that basis.

2019-09-10 11:08:03 UTC  

Yes, and there are precisely 2 senators per states

2019-09-10 11:08:10 UTC  

That's the counterbalance taht you're doing away with

2019-09-10 11:09:08 UTC  

This is what the French do. Their senate is elected by citizens who themselves hold elected positions. The idea is that local officials will naturally outnumber central level officials, thus the senator will need to please local governments over central gov to get reelected. France is a very centralized state thou, by design.

2019-09-10 11:09:54 UTC  

There would continue to be two Senate seats per State, @Eccles.

2019-09-10 11:10:34 UTC  

But you're allowing the represenatitives to pick those two senators, Jeremy

2019-09-10 11:10:41 UTC  

How is that an improvement?

2019-09-10 11:10:59 UTC  

How is it not?

2019-09-10 11:11:27 UTC  

Depending on how you implement it, at best it makes no difference

2019-09-10 11:11:45 UTC  

At worst you're more likely to get senators from the majority vote in the state

2019-09-10 11:11:52 UTC  

Rather than the possibility of a mix

2019-09-10 11:12:53 UTC  

Well, tbh I wouldn't make it representatives alone to vote them in (if I were to try to implement this idea). I'd go with the French option: *all* elected officials, including city councilors and mayors and whatnot.

2019-09-10 11:13:17 UTC  

The goal of a senate like that is not to be representative thou

2019-09-10 11:13:35 UTC  

It's to incentivize distribution of power

2019-09-10 11:13:43 UTC  

the house is to be representative

2019-09-10 11:14:02 UTC  

Aye

2019-09-10 11:14:11 UTC  

and senate to prevent that representation to centralize power too ezly

2019-09-10 11:14:22 UTC  

das the idea

2019-09-10 11:15:16 UTC  

It's by no means a foolproof system thou

2019-09-10 11:15:57 UTC  

but at least it's *some* kind of systematized incentive to prevent the excessive centralization of power

2019-09-10 11:16:07 UTC  

The US system of government is failing because they've allowed too much power to be handed to the federal government

2019-09-10 11:16:14 UTC  

Read what I wrote, and you will see. As it stands now, fly-over country has little sway over the legislative futures of their elected Senators, as evinced by the past century, since the 17th was ratified, and I explained in my comment on the matter why that is the case. If you examine what has been occurring among the Senate, you have Senators from fly-over country voting for regulations that directly conflict with the economic interests of their own constituency, favoring the requests of wealthy lobbies from the coastal states you've referenced that're dictating your Senatorial elections in the middle of the country.

2019-09-10 11:16:21 UTC  

Correct.

2019-09-10 11:16:33 UTC  

it wouldn't decentralize an already centralized system thou

2019-09-10 11:16:59 UTC  

I don't think what you're suggesting will fix it

2019-09-10 11:17:08 UTC  

Do the math.