Message from @Jeremy

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2019-09-09 05:04:48 UTC  

yet there would still be the looming interest we'd be liable to pay for

2019-09-09 05:04:58 UTC  

this is where austerity measures come into play

2019-09-09 05:05:23 UTC  

the now defaulted loan, the backers of the central banks then ask for resource concessions as a means of paying on the interest

2019-09-09 05:05:37 UTC  

Debts are important but a bloated factorization of it is objectively damaging

2019-09-09 05:06:30 UTC  

It's more complicated than that, as you have various tools available to the Fed in the form of open market operations and inter-bank loan rates, the federal funds rate, etc, which expand and contract the money supply. The idea is not to have any shortages or surpluses.

2019-09-09 05:06:33 UTC  

this is what I learned straight out the book "Modern Money Mechanics" which is published by the federal reserve board of governors

2019-09-09 05:07:40 UTC  

You also have the money multiplier, a regulation banks are subject to.

2019-09-09 05:07:55 UTC  

the 10% reserve requirement?

2019-09-09 05:07:59 UTC  

that what you refering to

2019-09-09 05:08:02 UTC  

or something else?

2019-09-09 05:08:03 UTC  

So, what they have on deposit, they're allowed to loan up to 10x that amount.

2019-09-09 05:08:21 UTC  

A reserve requirement would be your securities.

2019-09-09 05:08:45 UTC  

true, but when they take in say $100, they don't isolate $90 and loan that out

2019-09-09 05:09:05 UTC  

what they do is create 900 dollars out of thin air, from the reserve of that $100

2019-09-09 05:09:10 UTC  

No, they're just allowed to loan up to that amount to minimize liability.

2019-09-09 05:09:38 UTC  

the money in essence "comes into existance" upon creation of a loan

2019-09-09 05:10:09 UTC  

There was actually a court case on this with Jerome Daly

2019-09-09 05:15:58 UTC  

To some extent, but think about how most people take out loans, especially businesses and so on. I know it sounds rather Keynesian, but up to this point for every dollar of debt we've taken on, approximately 8 dollars of productive value have been added to the economy. Think about a local store down the road that may have initially taken out a $100,000 loan, but has a marginal revenue of about half a million, perhaps more. What if they want to expand, in doing so taking on debt, in which the opportunity cost is justified, as there is no more of an efficient allocation.

2019-09-09 05:16:51 UTC  

I'm just using that as a rough example, but most debtors do not take on debt without accounting for opportunity cost - it's behavioral economics 101.

2019-09-09 05:17:17 UTC  

So, the expense accrued over time must be justified.

2019-09-09 05:18:54 UTC  

The question is whether or not the scarce resources are allocated efficiently, and in private markets that is the case.

2019-09-09 05:21:10 UTC  

at this point I dont think we're actually debating just stating different facts

2019-09-09 05:22:00 UTC  

everything we're saying is pretty much demonstrably true

2019-09-09 05:25:46 UTC  

It really doesn't matter whether or not what you're saying is true, as it leads one to the same conclusion, regardless of how you get there. Public debts, on part of excess government expenditure, is a negative in my view, supported by the observation of inefficient allocations and corruption, with heavily unionized labor fitting nicely into both, while simultaneously preventing private markets from ever arising in place of where government operates, losing out on growth potential and expanding State power, even though further debt further solidifies our ability to borrow more. Technically, we can expand our national debt limitlessly, unless everyone decides to shoot themselves in the foot and collapse their own economy, or speculators enter the market, which would likely happen inevitably, but we're far off that mark. It'd take another century of borrowing before this would occur, and that's implying the economy doesn't grow over that period of time.

2019-09-09 05:28:46 UTC  

That's the benefit of having a reserve currency by running current account deficits, which can *only* be sustained within nations that preserve property rights, not violate them (yes, I'm referencing the PRC as a regime that'll never fit the requirements), BUT there are also negatives to be observed, as I mentioned before. You have the issue of increased evaluations of USD, so you end up with trade deficits.

2019-09-09 05:35:55 UTC  

What he said. Maybe

2019-09-09 05:46:27 UTC  

Yeah, it's all the same in the end anyway.

2019-09-09 05:48:51 UTC  

@AgentExeider @Jeremy You read the <#463041536003932170>?

2019-09-09 05:49:04 UTC  

yes

2019-09-09 05:49:23 UTC  

Indeed, Anubis.

2019-09-09 05:49:42 UTC  

Enjoy

2019-09-09 05:49:51 UTC  

🎊

2019-09-09 05:50:58 UTC  

yay

2019-09-09 05:51:04 UTC  

Good convo

2019-09-09 05:51:20 UTC  

do I get a pepe stamp on my passport

2019-09-09 05:51:33 UTC  

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2019-09-09 05:51:49 UTC  

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2019-09-09 05:53:01 UTC  

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2019-09-09 05:54:44 UTC  

Welcome to Kekistan...

2019-09-09 05:54:45 UTC  

Now... To get rid of that ACA and address the over $1 trillion in annual macro-level inefficiencies due to the government creating oligopolies within the healthcare industry by restricting market-entry and not allowing cross-state competition.