ANd you ain't going to do Jack shit

Like, who enforces it?

The G7 is supposed to

apparently no one, which is the problem

Exactly, they're supposed to, but they are a bunch of inneffectual little shits, so again, does it actually hold any value?

Not really

It's there to make France feel important

Treaties always have value or we wouldn't use them

it could be a good cause belli if there was anybody with the balls to use it

Treaties have value if there's enforcement.

Just like laws.

I don't disagree Tyche, which is one reason why we should enforce it.

What do you think your population would do if the price of their tellies and smart phones goes up 50%?

Buy them elsewhere

And if there are short-medium term shortages

So either China violates it and we nuke them, or we tear it up.

Why the fucking delays?

Just fucking do it already, Jesus.

@killerqwerty Treated like third reich? You mean ignored until it comes knocking at your door and it's too late <:hyperthink:462282519883284480> ?

Why does everyone think that Nukes have any value? They're outdated and useless

LOL, James, so the price going up 50% and having to go to multiple places to find one at all, and potentially paying much much more for it. People will just shrug and say "OK" will they?

I think you're dreaming

They'll completely lose their shit

@Xaverius fair point.

If it wasn't for all the innocent Chinese the CCP was holding hostage I would be all for turing china to glass, as it is I'm on the fence.

Did you forget Japan?

They're losing their shit over a potential 9% price hike + 2 day delay in the supply chain

That's just manufactured scaremongering

If you want to ween off China you need a proper plan, you need to predicate it on something other than war, and you need to do it gradually

I've been arguing you can predicate it on the environment for ages

China has always been deeply authoritarian and has a long history of smug self superiority, it doesn't help that for 90% of history it was justified. Luckily they were mostly isolationists. Briton fucked that up and forced them to open up shattering their self superiority in the process. With china slowly regaining their place as the most powerful nation on earth they're regaining that smug self superiority, but this time with out the isolationism. They think they are better than us and can treat us like shit because they are better then us, they need a sharp bopping in the snoot to be reminded that they can not and are not.

Indignation doesn't help understanding nor does it derive functional and implementable solutions

The UK will become the EU's Hong Kong.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1169180578979155968

@Eccles let me reword it a bit then so I sound less "indignant".
China has a long history of thinking the rest of the world was beneath them. in the past that manifested as a disinterested isolationism.
The Chinese in general, and the CCP in specific, think that they can abuse us and the systems we've set up without repercussions. They think that they can cow us in to submission, and that we are too stupid to see what they are doing. If we don't start proving them wrong they will keep on pushing in till they just decide that the charade is not worth the effort and declare open hostilities to take whatever they want. We need to prove them wrong now, because the longer we wait, the more costly it will be.

Righteous indignation isn't a plan, KQ

You can vent at China all you like, you can even call them chinky yellow eyed spicks, but it isn't a plan of action

This discord is littered with hot air and righteous ingnation, but short on well thought out ideas/plans

What -could- be done? What woudl the effect be and why?

Trump has the power to destroy the Chinese economy with a Single Executive order.

really all that needs to be done is to start enforcing the rules for china, a good start would be kicking them out of hong kong

Threating to kick them out of the WTO if they don't start following WTO regulations would be a nice follow up.