Message from @Jeremy-Retard

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2019-11-29 15:40:48 UTC  

I think we're saying the same thing Bobby. I don't disagree with anything you said. I grew up in a christian cult, so I have face-to-face memories of what that was like.

2019-11-29 15:40:53 UTC  

Concepts like "the worker", "the volk", "equality", "freedom", "constitution", "founding fathers", "democracy" all contain within themselves a mythological magic word power lense

2019-11-29 15:42:08 UTC  

And I think that the scariest thing of all is that when you refuse to host Jesus inside your heart, you don't get a vacuum, but you get Satan's cock in that hole

2019-11-29 15:43:48 UTC  

Vacuums don't really exist, even the word vacuum fills it up

2019-11-29 15:45:12 UTC  

Neurotheology is a very interesting field and there's evidence to suggest the inability of a man to be an atheist

2019-11-29 15:49:37 UTC  

The limitations of human perception mean that only a madman goes through life without beliefs. We have to believe something, even if that something is that there's no one behind us about to stab us in the back (the mind projects where it cannot see). More importantly, we act on those beliefs. If we believe that there's someone behind us about to kill us, we will spin around and shoot a gun trying to eliminate the threat. We act on what we believe, so if we believe nonsense, we will perform evil.

Since we cannot go through life without substituting belief for where we lack knowledge, and humans will act based on their beliefs, and since we have large portions of the population who have trouble understanding lots of things that science has revealed, the absolute necessity of religion in human existence should not be questioned as religion is structured belief that at the very least attempts to get individuals to treat each other with love.

2019-11-29 15:53:07 UTC  

I think the figure of Jesus Christ is a good one to have as the basis for your beliefs, even if it created some of the worst ideologies that exist today. Especially the holiness and the percieved moral superiority of poverty

2019-11-29 15:58:04 UTC  

That said, I think bible stories should be adjusted with scientific knowledge, and that they are overdue for such an adjustment. The point of those stories is not the specifics of who ate what, how big the flood was, or what pillar of fire appeared out of nowhere, whether or not there's an all-powerful entity in the sky... the point of those stories is to express lessons on how humanity should live. That's the lesson, that's the takeaway, where the details disagree with science is where religion should concede ground and perhaps write new stories.

2019-11-29 16:19:46 UTC  

Science doesn't have to do anything with the Bible stop trying to mix the two

2019-11-29 16:20:52 UTC  

That's like saying that we should adjust Bible stories with more accurate carpentry. Stop giving science the superiority of opinion, it's a tool like any other, not a life target

2019-11-29 16:25:33 UTC  

You may as well science up Greek and Roman myths, @Jeremy-Retard

2019-11-29 16:25:50 UTC  

The psychometric history of the western civilization requires no adjusting

2019-11-29 16:30:51 UTC  

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. Belief and Truth only overlap where our ability to understand nature is loosely certain. When specific truth is revealed that conflicts with the minutae of old beliefs, the tendency is for people to defend the beliefs, rather than recognize the real value in the belief, and adapt.

We don't believe in Noah's Ark and the Flood because we are certain the world was totally covered by ocean due to rain for a time. That's not the point of that story. We believe in that story because "God" wants us to realize that we should be preppers who are good stewards of our resources such that we, our families, and our communities will survive disasters.

2019-11-29 16:36:13 UTC  

The Bible teaches us to be lunatics who prepare for a natural disaster without any evidence whatsoever, that's what Noah's arc is about

2019-11-29 16:37:24 UTC  

The lesson to be taken away is that it's good to be a lunatic who believes in words that only oneself can hear because ultimately you'll be proven right in doing so being the sole survivor and the savior of a rich animal kingdom

2019-11-29 16:38:26 UTC  

In my opinion this is one of the worst lessons that could possibly be taught

2019-11-29 16:46:24 UTC  

Ya, but ET, you could watch the Joker from a feminist perspective and equally miss the value in it.

2019-11-29 16:47:20 UTC  

The Bible is not a story that we're supposed to just enjoy, it's a guide for morals, for beliefs, for a way of life

2019-11-29 16:49:04 UTC  

I didn't say it was entertainment.

2019-11-29 16:49:19 UTC  

You compared it to the Joker movie, which is nothing but entertainment

2019-11-29 16:50:40 UTC  

Comparison is not the same as equivocation.

2019-11-29 16:51:30 UTC  

The key difference is too essential for it to be a useful comparison. The Bible is considered the word of God. Unlike Joker, which everyone knows and agrees is a man-made piece of art.

2019-11-29 16:54:15 UTC  

The point remains, you can interpret stories infinite ways. Choosing a single interpretation that is not useful for anyone and declaring that that interpretation is "correct" only serves to destroy useful belief in service to minutae.

2019-11-29 16:54:36 UTC  

Joker isn't just entertainment though.
Out of all the comic movies, it may be least so.

2019-11-29 16:55:21 UTC  

The Bible is not a story, it's the word of God. God's word can only be interpreted in one correct way, all other ways are incorrect. Or else it wouldn't be God's word.
The Joker movie is entirely up to everyone's individual interpretation, so there is no singular truth about it to be taken away.

2019-11-29 16:56:46 UTC  

If there's only one way to interpret the bible, aren't you limiting god? Even novels are deliberately written with multiple interpretations possible.

2019-11-29 16:57:02 UTC  

while fiction = story, story =/= fiction https://i.gyazo.com/cb598f2b3ca7e43e937e5f8bb6ab0f7b.png

2019-11-29 16:57:25 UTC  

It's the other way around, if there are multiple correct interpretations of the Bible, then we're presuming to be able to know God, which we can't, as the Bible itself says.

2019-11-29 16:59:09 UTC  

Definitely not useful for this channel.

2019-11-29 17:00:38 UTC  

I mean you started it, if you disagree with my rebuttal then well fine I guess. But then why would anyone's opinion on this matter be useful in this channel.

2019-11-29 17:01:12 UTC  

The channel was set up specifically to share links, we're flooding it with religion discussion.

2019-11-29 17:01:48 UTC  

If it leads to something useful then so be it. We can move the discussion to xen_debate

2019-11-29 17:09:29 UTC  

Now that should be a "benchmark" study in the "Anals" of the modern lefty greeny SJWs.
Shows you very well how far are these people prepared to go for all their believes.

2019-11-29 17:12:54 UTC  

They are after your games, too. I guess they don't find the habit particularly supportive of their lifestyle, so why not regulate it or just outright ban it if they can?

2019-11-29 17:14:13 UTC  

They are counting even those watts you use recreating in essentially what is the last free space for you left in your life. I guess Sargon might use this one to make a video or two, too.

2019-11-29 17:14:56 UTC  

That abstract (and possibly the article) was written by the scientifically ignorant. A Rise in computing power is an INCREASE in the energy efficiency of gaming. Does this person realize that in order to play games with the graphics of today in the 1990s, you would need computers the size of warehouses?

2019-11-29 17:15:15 UTC  

I think it would be fun to watch him argue for the effects his own activities have on the planet in the eyes of the lefties.

2019-11-29 17:16:57 UTC  

@Jeremy-Retard I don't think these people realize anything. They just had the audacity to create something that bears the name "journal" and started making all kinds of sh*t up in order to fill it up and here is one interesting example that intersects with the topics of interest in this server, too.

2019-11-29 17:18:21 UTC  

But ultimately I don't think these people have the brains to think of anything useful up, they are just good at virtue signaling, name calling and making one hell of a nuisance to spoil your day up.

2019-11-29 17:18:31 UTC  

"Rising computing power, improved graphics quality, higher-resolution displays, and streaming delivery have rendered computer gaming an increasingly energy-intensive activity.".... That was written by a fool who has never sat an original nintendo gameboy next to a nintendo switch and noticed vast improvements in both game, AND power efficiency.