Message from @PastPresentFuture

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2018-06-22 19:55:29 UTC  

how did yall run up on jlp?

2018-06-22 20:11:01 UTC  

no kids over here. don't want them either. as for jlp, he got thrown up on my recommended videos list on yt. i think it was a compilation of him or something.

2018-06-22 20:11:42 UTC  

ah yeah that's right... i caught his talk with gavin mcinnes, and wished it was longer

2018-06-22 20:13:47 UTC  

Nice, csquare you took the words out of my mouth lol. I’ll add that men that love what is right have that natural integrity to guide them. That force that we call god/godliness.

2018-06-22 20:14:58 UTC  

kids? yikes, am i the youngest person in this group?

i found jlp on twitter, though i've only just recently began to be an avid watcher. i have some mixed views on the guy. i just think he's funny.

2018-06-22 20:15:30 UTC  

same here, narratory, with the occasional show of respectable values and intelligence

2018-06-22 20:15:33 UTC  

i do agree on a lot of what he says though. i guess it's just his execution that bothers me.

2018-06-22 20:15:36 UTC  

occasional.

2018-06-22 20:15:55 UTC  

that's true, anomie!

2018-06-22 20:16:53 UTC  

he's not the only peterson i've got my eye on at the moment. jordan peterson's on my radar these days. i'm unsure about him too, but he's gaining a lot of influence

2018-06-22 20:17:46 UTC  

Another snippet: a man has no problem recognizing the higher power that influences them. Naturally a man loves god.

2018-06-22 20:17:50 UTC  

has jesse had jordan peterson on the show? i reckon they'd both get on pretty well

2018-06-22 20:18:08 UTC  

Jordan Peterson is a interesting guy. I’ve read his books, very good stuff.

2018-06-22 20:18:14 UTC  

@PastPresentFuture can an atheist or agnostic be a man?

2018-06-22 20:18:22 UTC  

ah, nice. i have one of his books coming

2018-06-22 20:18:55 UTC  

When I took my first IQ test I looked him up to see what his degrees of intelligence lecture meant

2018-06-22 20:19:27 UTC  

honestly, i don't see what God has to do with being a man.

2018-06-22 20:23:39 UTC  

@csquare I don’t have any kids, once I marry my girlfriend we plan on popping them out like popcorn though. I found Jesse through his fallen state interview with the two black lives matter people. At first I thought he was just a funny guy that trolled the left but i analyzed his message and I can resonate with it. The thing I respect the most about Jesse is that e teaches and preaches for folks to focus on themselves; to know yourself to overcome your struggles and let go of anger via forgiveness.

2018-06-22 20:26:03 UTC  
2018-06-22 20:26:29 UTC  

i automatically have to accept god to be rebuilt as a man, according to you and jesse?

2018-06-22 20:27:06 UTC  

@4rthur i wouldn’t be able to show you or explain it so... 😬

2018-06-22 20:27:13 UTC  

i assume there are many men out there who'd love jesse's help, but at the same time are put off by the religious aspects that come along with it

2018-06-22 20:27:48 UTC  

are we talking the God Christians believe or must it be inclusive of other religions?

2018-06-22 20:28:00 UTC  

is it not possible to "rebuild the man" from the ground up, morals and value systems, motivations, life-goals, everything, without having to impose religious belief?

2018-06-22 20:28:15 UTC  

@Anomie no, it’s a natural thing. It happens at a level that you aren’t aware of but is realized later on. And that’s according to me, not Jesse.

2018-06-22 20:28:33 UTC  

hm. alright

2018-06-22 20:29:07 UTC  

I don’t believe in the indoctrination of religion or forcing it upon people

2018-06-22 20:29:38 UTC  

People can’t be brought to god they have to come to him.

2018-06-22 20:29:56 UTC  

what if they don't? are they not a man? are they evil?

2018-06-22 20:30:15 UTC  

Most churches and religious organizations mess their congregation up by trying to “lead a horse to water who doesn’t want to drink.”

2018-06-22 20:30:24 UTC  

that's true

2018-06-22 20:31:15 UTC  

If they don’t then they will live missing that link and wholeness in their life. It’s a different experience with each person I’d say. And if people don’t want to come to god and are comfortable where they are, that’s fine too.

2018-06-22 20:31:47 UTC  

I won’t think less of them for it.

2018-06-22 20:32:38 UTC  

but they can't be a man?

2018-06-22 20:32:53 UTC  

some might say that's thinking less of them for it

2018-06-22 20:34:30 UTC  

No, they can pretend to be a man but the holes and their hunger for wholeness is still there. That doesn’t mean I think less of a person for it, I know they’re doing the best they can. If they want help and I can help them then great. I’ll show them love regardless.

2018-06-22 20:39:00 UTC  

i hope, when you do start to help someone or if someone confides in you, they don't feel any judgment off the back of that. i hope they'll be ignorant of the fact that you live by this distinction, because, if they are sincere with their will to change but at the same time they don't want to or just can't accept god sincerely yet, then you might still be able to help them. if they get a whiff of judgment or being categorised or up against the silent knowledge that, if they haven't accepted some religious doctrine, then they're not really "one" with you, it can be so much more difficult to be effective

2018-06-22 20:40:27 UTC  

you have to understand that a lot of people will struggle with that aspect of things - just as you struggle with it too, i imagine, because it seems to be a central point here. but just as having your beliefs might alienate you from certain groups, you have to know that not having your beliefs inherently alienates others from you. that's the kind of thing people pick up on when you get into serious communication with them

2018-06-22 20:55:26 UTC  

You must have not seen where I mentioned earlier that I don’t agree with how mainstream religions and religious organizations try to force their ideology on people. I said that it messes people up. I don’t just say these things randomly, this is all based on my experiences and struggles with religion, churches, god, etc. I remember how I was, I can see myself in other people as well, I know that a lot of young men like me hated the idea of religion and god and tried to oppose it and debate it at any chance I could. The best way that I can help people is how I helped myself. If you think I am the Bible thumping type you’re mistaken, I don’t even read the Bible.

2018-06-22 20:56:09 UTC  

Thanks though lol

2018-06-22 20:57:21 UTC  

unfortunately, you don't need to say it outright. it's the implications of your definition of man, and how nobody who doesn't accept god can not be that. they can't be a man or even live like a man without god, according to you - they can only pretend to be a man