i like them because we learn from each other, when we're both open to it. communication that isn't just empty is one of the main things i enjoy on this planet

kinda helps to stretch out and grow your own

so fellowshipping is good thing

Yes, fellowshipping is a good way to put it

@PastPresentFuture do you follow the idea that a man who isn't a man is a woman, and hence, an evil person?

Mmmm no.

alright cool. that's one thing i haven't been able to wrap my head around so far, not for a lack of understanding

I know you didnt ask me but I would say that thing that is suppose to be a man that aint. He is capable of evil.

Yup

If you are a male and have anger you are a beta.

hmmm so

this is a very strict, specific definition on what it is to be a man. it seems inspired by jesse's definition of man, which is, as i can gather, the ideal human being; the perfect christian male, and no other type of male can be a man. do i have that right?

your input is appreciated here, csquare

yes a man is a man.

lol

Any you hot bois listen to Roy masters?

why aren't people allowed to be angry? even for a little while?

i'm sure we all get angry once in a while. what is it about anger that makes one seem weak? it can be totally justified.

i've heard jesse say anger comes from the devil, but i've also heard him say it has more to do with being a woman - i can't quote him on those because i can't remember, but those 2 had me a bit confused

wow...

I’ve never heard of Roy masters

And yes like csquare said. Boys are boys, men are men, girls are girls and women are women.

sometimes i wonder if jesse is being serious 70% of the time

haha, i do too, narratory. he's got a sense of humour for sure, and doesn't hide it! the only problem is, half the bloody time you can't tell if he's joking or not when he says some of the things he does

it's part of his appeal to me actually

No one is saying you aren’t allowed to be angry. Be angry if you want to be lol. I don’t see the point of anger or any benefit from being angry. I have lost the desire to be in that state.

well, not saying that we aren't -allowed- to be angry, but if we are, then we're either beta, a woman, or of the devil (hope you don't mind me bringing jesse's words into this and chucking them next to yours. if you do, just say)

again, this is about what's not being said. the subtle implications of this definition of man

Hehe

I say that men who have anger are beta because it’s the truth. It’s just a funny way to phrase it.

In reality anyone to carries or holds onto anger is living under that illusion. If they’re comfortable with that so be it, but it will erode and cause problems down the line. I know that from experience.

Anger has NEVER helped me in life.

no doubt anger can be destructive as all fuck. it's never helped me either - in fact it's taken me further away from who i need to be. the anger didn't make me feel beta though, or womanly, or of the devil. for example: i used to be really into debating when i was younger, and i was very naive, ill-informed and misled, in that i only wanted to win a debate, not learn from this person or journey with them to new insight. i used to say i got so fired up because i was passionate for the talk, but really, it's because i was stupid

i noticed that i could stay on track in a debate until i got angry, at which point i'd get dirty as hell with it

i worked on my anger. i'm pretty free of the bullshit it used to throw up in my brain

i just bring that up as an addition to what you said, ppf. now i think there wasn't much point, lol

i wanted to ask if it's possible for someone to feel angry in response to a given situation without necessarily "having anger," in the sense of carrying it around with them etc

Anomie I understand 200% , I also notice a moment right before I am about to blow tf up, where it if I just pay attention I don't act like an out of control woman

yeah csquare, i'm with you on that one. a distinction someone made for me which really helped was that between a reaction and a response, and how, in tense situations, you might need to take a few seconds before engaging something, so you formulate a proper response instead of just reacting

Whew this is hard to articulate but I will try

respect, ppf