Message from @PastPresentFuture
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what if they don't? are they not a man? are they evil?
Most churches and religious organizations mess their congregation up by trying to “lead a horse to water who doesn’t want to drink.”
that's true
If they don’t then they will live missing that link and wholeness in their life. It’s a different experience with each person I’d say. And if people don’t want to come to god and are comfortable where they are, that’s fine too.
I won’t think less of them for it.
but they can't be a man?
some might say that's thinking less of them for it
No, they can pretend to be a man but the holes and their hunger for wholeness is still there. That doesn’t mean I think less of a person for it, I know they’re doing the best they can. If they want help and I can help them then great. I’ll show them love regardless.
i hope, when you do start to help someone or if someone confides in you, they don't feel any judgment off the back of that. i hope they'll be ignorant of the fact that you live by this distinction, because, if they are sincere with their will to change but at the same time they don't want to or just can't accept god sincerely yet, then you might still be able to help them. if they get a whiff of judgment or being categorised or up against the silent knowledge that, if they haven't accepted some religious doctrine, then they're not really "one" with you, it can be so much more difficult to be effective
you have to understand that a lot of people will struggle with that aspect of things - just as you struggle with it too, i imagine, because it seems to be a central point here. but just as having your beliefs might alienate you from certain groups, you have to know that not having your beliefs inherently alienates others from you. that's the kind of thing people pick up on when you get into serious communication with them
You must have not seen where I mentioned earlier that I don’t agree with how mainstream religions and religious organizations try to force their ideology on people. I said that it messes people up. I don’t just say these things randomly, this is all based on my experiences and struggles with religion, churches, god, etc. I remember how I was, I can see myself in other people as well, I know that a lot of young men like me hated the idea of religion and god and tried to oppose it and debate it at any chance I could. The best way that I can help people is how I helped myself. If you think I am the Bible thumping type you’re mistaken, I don’t even read the Bible.
Thanks though lol
unfortunately, you don't need to say it outright. it's the implications of your definition of man, and how nobody who doesn't accept god can not be that. they can't be a man or even live like a man without god, according to you - they can only pretend to be a man
Lol
I’m glad you said that
me too, because this part confuses me
The thing is, a man doesn’t need help.
lol
i'm glad you said that
speak on it, please
A man doesn’t seek out help to be a man. So why would I expect them to be a man? I made a comment earlier that a man accepts god at a spiritual level that most of us are unaware of happening* (at least for me, I wasn’t aware until after waking up that I had that connection to god) what I’m saying here is that I won’t even have to drill someone on accepting god in this manner, it will happen naturally.
why do we have discussions like this in the first place?
Good question csquare I like it
I like to have them to make folks think and reflect
it is almost the only time I am ever physically interested in having a conversation any more IRL
It’s engaging
i like them because we learn from each other, when we're both open to it. communication that isn't just empty is one of the main things i enjoy on this planet
kinda helps to stretch out and grow your own
so fellowshipping is good thing
Yes, fellowshipping is a good way to put it
@PastPresentFuture do you follow the idea that a man who isn't a man is a woman, and hence, an evil person?
Mmmm no.
alright cool. that's one thing i haven't been able to wrap my head around so far, not for a lack of understanding
I know you didnt ask me but I would say that thing that is suppose to be a man that aint. He is capable of evil.
Yup
If you are a male and have anger you are a beta.
hmmm so
this is a very strict, specific definition on what it is to be a man. it seems inspired by jesse's definition of man, which is, as i can gather, the ideal human being; the perfect christian male, and no other type of male can be a man. do i have that right?
your input is appreciated here, csquare
yes a man is a man.
lol