When a population drops below a few hundred the genetic diversity in the individuals becomes too slow to sustain a population for long.

Well, women always tend to marry *up*.

Even in monogamy.

The money and status of a woman is far less important.

depends, are they solidly african or are they african americans with shitloads of white thrown in about the generations

You can fuck a poor peasant just as you would fuck a rich girl.

Not in the Chinese culture I think. Hence why so many pre arrangements

Like India

Hmm, well arrangements would usually deal with the bride's family's wealth I imagine.

afaik some geneticist did research on this, regarding interstellar colonization and he came up with a number around 100, to be genetically sustainable.

I know a lot of cultures have variants on dowry or bride-price.

How many Cows?

It'd have to be reasonably small @leavethisbotnet.

Estimates for how many people left Africa to become the ancestors of every non-African person on earth range as few as a thousand.

Of mitochondrial haplogroup L3.

The genetic ancestor to M and N which comprise every non-Sub-Saharan on earth.

Not including back-migration into Africa that is where further interbreeding happened but you get the idea.

What's up with the claim that Africa wasn't the cradle of civilization?

Well, cradle of humanity and cradle of civilisation are two different concepts.

There are bone fragments discovered of the genus *homo* which lie outside Africa and are close in age to or older than those found in Africa.

But there's too few of them compared to the abundance *in* Africa to really assert a different origin point.

Thanks. Very informative.

I can't remember if it deals exclusively with homo sapiens though, we speciated about 350,000 years ago and became behaviourally modern about 60-50,000 years ago but *homo* is a lot older.

Mesopotamia is often regarded as the cradle of civilisation, or the fertile crescent in general which does include Egypt.

Sumer and Egypt are contestants for oldest civilisation but it really depends how you define the word.

@fvriovs you're a *homo*

Dont be a cuck guys

There are the younger dryas catastrophy theories too

Thank you jack, haha.

@Danacrag such people disgust me

I had a friend that was a cuck

She treated him poorly

I definitely wouldn't rule it out, that there was advanced civ in africa before end of younger dryas

I really, really don't like that shit

If your wife is having sex with other guys she isnt a good wife

I'm skeptical of that @leavethisbotnet.

It's only after the Younger Dryas that agriculture became possible.

Coinciding with the start of the Neolithic.

The flood myths are definitely something that makes me a lot less sceptical

And agriculture has been more or less necessary for advanced civilisation.