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2017-05-15 00:50:49 UTC  

being for-itself rather than in-itself and all that jazz

2017-05-15 00:55:06 UTC  

And if the objectivty of diamat informs our subject, it is no longer a choice.

2017-05-15 00:56:32 UTC  

Sartrean existentialism never says that you control your situation, but you do have absolute control over how you react and what you do with those situations

2017-05-15 00:57:39 UTC  

And Sartre said that he was never more free than he was in prison, because he still had the freedom to interpret life, his situation and his own thought

2017-05-15 00:57:40 UTC  

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2017-05-15 00:57:46 UTC  

@dontchewglass But the arrow of time is linear. It is impossible to demonstrate this is true. In what way do we have control?

2017-05-15 00:59:24 UTC  

You have the absolute freedom to revolt, if you have no chains on your wrist, then you are physically free to punch a cop, organize, crush Capitalism

2017-05-15 01:00:42 UTC  

@dontchewglass But will you? The objective laws of the universe are deterministic. How does any definition of freedom exist here?

2017-05-15 01:01:49 UTC  

Diamat predicts revolutions, not because we choose it, but because social progress determines it.

2017-05-15 01:01:52 UTC  

self consciousness and subjectivity

2017-05-15 01:02:08 UTC  

thats how freedom exists

2017-05-15 01:03:55 UTC  

@not_matt So the introspective sense that 'it could have been different', the imagination of our conscious mind, shows we are free?

2017-05-15 01:05:08 UTC  

Seems like a redundant definition.

2017-05-15 01:05:58 UTC  

Just like individualism.

2017-05-15 01:06:28 UTC  

agree to disagree i guess, i should be studying for finals rn lmfao

2017-05-15 01:06:45 UTC  

@Deleted User
I conclude that the fact that our perspective on our control of the world around us affects how we behave and undertake responsibility in the real world implies our ability to have free will; the capacity to make decisions that are irreducible to subconscious parameters: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0002764213506215

2017-05-15 01:06:54 UTC  

> tfw my formerly liberal boyfriend is slowly radicalizing

2017-05-15 01:07:31 UTC  

he's bitching to me about united states imperialism >:)

2017-05-15 01:07:51 UTC  

Who owns the means of production in current America

2017-05-15 01:07:59 UTC  

"but maddy, we have to teach the savages using bombs!"

2017-05-15 01:08:09 UTC  

@★ Commissar Regi ★
The US government.

2017-05-15 01:08:39 UTC  

Is it possible for corporations to own the means, if so what would this be called

2017-05-15 01:08:53 UTC  

Corporatocracy.

2017-05-15 01:09:07 UTC  

capitalism lmao

2017-05-15 01:09:11 UTC  

I see, thanks fam

2017-05-15 01:09:19 UTC  

hey guys, i'm new here and i don't really have any strong views of my own. i'm just here to gain some knowledge and insight ☺

2017-05-15 01:09:25 UTC  

^^^

2017-05-15 01:09:27 UTC  

Same

2017-05-15 01:09:35 UTC  

Corporatism is the merger of state and corporate power

2017-05-15 01:09:49 UTC  

which is what capitalism inherently devolves into

2017-05-15 01:10:30 UTC  

can you expand on the notion of "merging?" what does that mean in this context exactly? subsidies?

2017-05-15 01:10:33 UTC  

Yeah, capitalism gives corporations and monopolies too much opportunity for power

2017-05-15 01:10:55 UTC  

@dontchewglass
I argue that it isn't capitalism unless all transactions are exclusively private and voluntary, which implies a free market. Corporatism is what you end up with when you start a nation with a _preexisting_ government infrastructure to interfere in the economy and draw out taxes and impose regulations and fees in order to sustain itself, which wouldn't be capitalism since the entire infrastructure requires coercion in order to sustain.

2017-05-15 01:12:12 UTC  

@Tʜᴇ Sᴛᴜᴅʏ ᴏғ Cʜᴀɴɢᴇ#1345 "the fact that our perspective on our control of the world around us affects how we behave" Which is predetermined, not caused by 'free will'.

2017-05-15 01:12:33 UTC  

Do you guys even read Marx?

2017-05-15 01:12:44 UTC  

no, i'm new here 🤗

2017-05-15 01:13:00 UTC  

@Deleted User
No one argues for maximal autonomy. Also, I'm an anarcho-capitalist, lol.

2017-05-15 01:13:19 UTC  

Explains. Fair enough.

2017-05-15 01:13:41 UTC  

I essentially deny Marx and Engel's Dialectical Materialism framework of metaphysics.

2017-05-15 01:13:59 UTC  
2017-05-15 01:14:01 UTC  

lmao why is there an ancap in this chat