Message from @Blebleh

Discord ID: 314471105253605396


2017-05-17 17:38:36 UTC  

for only $19.17 per person

2017-05-17 17:39:05 UTC  

*a third worldist whines because they have better conditions*

2017-05-17 17:40:11 UTC  

first class bourgeois gulag cells for only$19.45

2017-05-17 17:40:45 UTC  

fyre festival style

2017-05-17 17:41:16 UTC  

love me

2017-05-17 17:42:21 UTC  

no u

2017-05-17 17:45:49 UTC  

*kisses*

2017-05-17 18:08:28 UTC  

I have a question: would we be considered bourgeoisie or is that a term used for people that employ workers?

2017-05-17 18:10:11 UTC  

bouregoise is the rich middle class which owns businesses or corperations

2017-05-17 18:11:16 UTC  

having a lot of money as a middle class worker doesnt really fit the position of bouregoise

2017-05-17 18:11:59 UTC  

Ok

2017-05-17 18:12:19 UTC  

What do you guys think about financial analysts or people that work in finance?

2017-05-17 18:12:59 UTC  

my ma is not bourgeoise even though she is a banker and has associates working under her because she worked her way to the position under a boss

2017-05-17 18:13:19 UTC  

which she still does

2017-05-17 18:14:03 UTC  

So what you're saying is that as long as there is someone above you, you can't be a bourgeoisie?

2017-05-17 18:25:32 UTC  

Workers don't exploit anyone

2017-05-17 18:25:48 UTC  

They aren't extracting surplus value from other workers, they don't own the business

2017-05-17 18:26:27 UTC  

If something they could receive wages from other workers, passed from the bourgeoisie; that's called the labour aristocracy

2017-05-17 18:33:10 UTC  

What about a financial analyst that gambles the savings of others or bets on the livelihoods of others?

2017-05-17 18:35:29 UTC  

probably labour aristocracy

2017-05-17 18:35:54 UTC  

but speculation?

2017-05-17 18:38:03 UTC  

Some marxist economists consider it another for of exploitation

2017-05-17 18:38:19 UTC  

but they aren't owning other workers

2017-05-17 18:43:03 UTC  

I feel bad now because I might study finance in school

2017-05-17 18:43:56 UTC  

No

2017-05-17 18:44:26 UTC  

Other person would do otherwise

2017-05-17 18:44:48 UTC  

a society can't be changed voluntarily by studying this or not

2017-05-17 18:45:04 UTC  

as i understand it

2017-05-17 18:45:19 UTC  

if you own MOP and hire people, you are bourgeoisie

2017-05-17 18:45:33 UTC  

you dont own MOP and work for wage, you are proletarian

2017-05-17 18:45:49 UTC  

yes

2017-05-17 18:46:06 UTC  

but there are labour aristocracy analysis, and maoist third worldists

2017-05-17 18:46:15 UTC  

bourgeois can be big, medium, very big (etc) or petit bourgeoisie

2017-05-17 18:46:48 UTC  

petit bourgeoisie is bourgeoisie that owns MOP, hire people but doesnt extract enough surplus value because it owns few MOP and he has to work himself

2017-05-17 18:46:52 UTC  

But can't you for an example own a foodstand, and not having anyone employed, and still be an Poletarian?

2017-05-17 18:46:53 UTC  

basically small business

2017-05-17 18:47:14 UTC  

if you own a MOP and only work yourself here

2017-05-17 18:47:18 UTC  

you are self employed

2017-05-17 18:47:31 UTC  

which is technically a petit bourgeois but you are like the smallest bourgeois possible

2017-05-17 18:47:48 UTC  

peasant who works on his private piece of land, even if he is very poor, is bourgeois