Message from @Garlic the Soviet

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2017-05-17 18:43:56 UTC  

No

2017-05-17 18:44:26 UTC  

Other person would do otherwise

2017-05-17 18:44:48 UTC  

a society can't be changed voluntarily by studying this or not

2017-05-17 18:45:04 UTC  

as i understand it

2017-05-17 18:45:19 UTC  

if you own MOP and hire people, you are bourgeoisie

2017-05-17 18:45:33 UTC  

you dont own MOP and work for wage, you are proletarian

2017-05-17 18:45:49 UTC  

yes

2017-05-17 18:46:06 UTC  

but there are labour aristocracy analysis, and maoist third worldists

2017-05-17 18:46:15 UTC  

bourgeois can be big, medium, very big (etc) or petit bourgeoisie

2017-05-17 18:46:48 UTC  

petit bourgeoisie is bourgeoisie that owns MOP, hire people but doesnt extract enough surplus value because it owns few MOP and he has to work himself

2017-05-17 18:46:52 UTC  

But can't you for an example own a foodstand, and not having anyone employed, and still be an Poletarian?

2017-05-17 18:46:53 UTC  

basically small business

2017-05-17 18:47:14 UTC  

if you own a MOP and only work yourself here

2017-05-17 18:47:18 UTC  

you are self employed

2017-05-17 18:47:31 UTC  

which is technically a petit bourgeois but you are like the smallest bourgeois possible

2017-05-17 18:47:48 UTC  

peasant who works on his private piece of land, even if he is very poor, is bourgeois

2017-05-17 18:47:52 UTC  

just very small

2017-05-17 18:48:09 UTC  

if peasant works on someone's else land for wage, however, he is proletarian

2017-05-17 18:48:10 UTC  

Okay, that means most of my family is petty bourgeois...

2017-05-17 18:48:19 UTC  

this is why Lenin said that peasants have double heart

2017-05-17 18:48:25 UTC  

well

2017-05-17 18:48:32 UTC  

my father is very bright example of petit bourgeois

2017-05-17 18:48:41 UTC  

he is director of small factory

2017-05-17 18:48:54 UTC  

but he works himself in the office

2017-05-17 18:49:08 UTC  

Are there still factories in Russia?

2017-05-17 18:49:17 UTC  

what kind of question is this

2017-05-17 18:49:46 UTC  

I donnu there are not Factories in my country sobe...

2017-05-17 18:50:17 UTC  

i have no idea what you are talking about

2017-05-17 18:50:24 UTC  

we are not in middle age

2017-05-17 18:50:38 UTC  

everyone has factories

2017-05-17 18:51:06 UTC  

I mean all factories in my country has been out sourced

2017-05-17 18:51:24 UTC  

Unless you count power plants...

2017-05-17 18:52:45 UTC  

well

2017-05-17 18:52:49 UTC  

let me just remind you

2017-05-17 18:52:55 UTC  

that we had industrialization in 1930s

2017-05-17 18:53:23 UTC  

Was it not in the 1920s?

2017-05-17 18:53:49 UTC  

and evne though we had some catastrofic things going on in 1985-2000, not all factories are rip

2017-05-17 18:53:57 UTC  

i think it was in 1920-30

2017-05-17 18:54:00 UTC  

doesnt matter

2017-05-17 18:55:53 UTC  

Okay. I have just no idea about how things are in Russia, so please just forgive me if I am being ignorant or something...