Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-17 21:48:29 UTC  

human suffering isn't any fuel

2017-05-17 21:49:04 UTC  

in the USSR the life expectancy skyrocketed and the GDP growed, as well as the limitation of the labours of work

2017-05-17 21:49:24 UTC  

but I disagree with a tenet of leninism

2017-05-17 21:49:39 UTC  

That's the rumblings of an underground capitalist oligarchy booting up.

2017-05-17 21:50:30 UTC  

Human suffering as fuel for the crucible of socialism is a long used metaphor.

2017-05-17 21:50:54 UTC  

I think banning factions breeds revisionism because it removes the accountability and the culture of revision with the ones who are in charge

2017-05-17 21:50:57 UTC  

It comes from outside the dialectic, however, call it an "outside" joke.

2017-05-17 21:51:34 UTC  

Limiting the scope of your discussion to a few fantasy books also removes a lot of accountability

2017-05-17 21:51:39 UTC  

Trotskyists say that it was temporal

2017-05-17 21:51:44 UTC  

Lmfao

2017-05-17 21:51:46 UTC  

and pro-Stalin advocates say it wasn't

2017-05-17 21:52:02 UTC  

Who lived longer?

2017-05-17 21:52:08 UTC  

That was the correct socialist

2017-05-17 21:52:39 UTC  

I doubt that even in a temporal ban you could restore it again as you wanted

2017-05-17 21:52:49 UTC  

but what they discuss more is the thing of permanent revolution

2017-05-17 21:53:04 UTC  

and pro-Stalin people think that in this case, it isn't leninist and that it would kill the revolution

2017-05-17 21:53:31 UTC  

and then we have council communists

2017-05-17 21:53:35 UTC  

and bordigists

2017-05-17 21:57:33 UTC  

All that shut you just said is basically the cancer that ends each revolution before it may reach its second stable point. P

2017-05-17 21:58:17 UTC  

Or the other complimentary cancer; the fallacious notion that writhing every socialist revolution lies the pupae of a functional state.

2017-05-17 21:58:49 UTC  

*bordiga gets offended* 😛

2017-05-17 21:59:05 UTC  

Not once has this actually been the case. As we can see within every socialist revolution lies an impossible to sustain ideological terratoma

2017-05-17 21:59:50 UTC  

I get that you're making a certain type of joke, but no.

2017-05-17 22:01:27 UTC  

The mere fact that I'm speaking to a leftist means I've a very high tolerance for disgust.

2017-05-17 22:01:52 UTC  

The party has a clear theoretical line

2017-05-17 22:02:03 UTC  

an in an anarchist case we could use a platform and unions

2017-05-17 22:02:13 UTC  

blanquism isn't leninism

2017-05-17 22:02:18 UTC  

(coups)

2017-05-17 22:02:38 UTC  

but today, we have bourgeois economy in the university, the mainstream economy

2017-05-17 22:02:47 UTC  

neoclassical-keynesian and even austrian

2017-05-17 22:03:19 UTC  

in socialism this is easier once we can educate the people

2017-05-17 22:03:33 UTC  

the media isn't owned privately for profit as now

2017-05-17 22:03:51 UTC  

Woah. Woah. Yes it is.

2017-05-17 22:03:54 UTC  

it doesn't mean it has to be managed by the party, it could be self-managed by different workers

2017-05-17 22:04:14 UTC  

In socialism

2017-05-17 22:04:23 UTC  

OH the other control system!

2017-05-17 22:04:43 UTC  

Yeah that's a thing, man that's a fun system to fuck with.

2017-05-17 22:04:53 UTC  

Fellow travelers are cheap and disposable, comrade

2017-05-17 22:05:23 UTC  

Today in capitalism the big business owners control the big media, you can look how they're connected, they're hierarchic and they have the same interests, they all support a capitalist ideology

2017-05-17 22:05:53 UTC  

We're in a control system now, and the academia has the neoclassical pseudoscientifc model; debunked by marxists economists like Cockshott

2017-05-17 22:06:05 UTC  

Hardly, the big media machine has a keen interest in promoting socialism