Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-17 21:28:19 UTC  

Communist subjectively can't be imperialist

2017-05-17 21:29:34 UTC  

Even some revisionists, like Brezhnev

2017-05-17 21:29:35 UTC  

I didn't understand the penultimate phrase

2017-05-17 21:30:13 UTC  

Imperialism is not purely economical

2017-05-17 21:30:31 UTC  

It requires people to force it upon others

2017-05-17 21:30:48 UTC  

If there is no such people than it is not imperialism.

2017-05-17 21:31:30 UTC  

It is forced with the state

2017-05-17 21:31:52 UTC  

@Blebleh State didn't have an imperialist agenda.

2017-05-17 21:32:16 UTC  

DEATH TO THE LEFT

2017-05-17 21:32:18 UTC  

imperialism isn't a program alone as let's invade countries

2017-05-17 21:32:36 UTC  

@Blebleh it is also not the economy alone.

2017-05-17 21:32:56 UTC  

it emerges from the conditions of capitalism, it requires a monopolist capitalism which was restored with Khruschev, and therefore he had to obey that kind of economy

2017-05-17 21:33:07 UTC  

no matter how much he tried to be good

2017-05-17 21:33:27 UTC  

like reforming capitalism in social democracy, it's limited

2017-05-17 21:33:38 UTC  

@Blebleh I disagree on this. USSR has been most socialist country in the world.

2017-05-17 21:33:51 UTC  

Even after Stalin.

2017-05-17 21:34:00 UTC  

I could agree

2017-05-17 21:34:07 UTC  

but most socialism now is welfare state

2017-05-17 21:34:15 UTC  

still capitalism

2017-05-17 21:34:29 UTC  

even some people criticize stalin as capitalist

2017-05-17 21:34:50 UTC  

because he couldn't remove the capitalist relations of production (for this we would need world socialism)

2017-05-17 21:35:22 UTC  

but if there's no bourgeoisie... it seems leftcom to me

2017-05-17 21:35:44 UTC  

So my point is Idiots are not necessarily imperialist.

2017-05-17 21:36:25 UTC  

A country being imperialist or not doesn't depend on idiocy or intentions

2017-05-17 21:36:37 UTC  

You could say that the party restored capitalism with good heart

2017-05-17 21:36:45 UTC  

and call them idiots

2017-05-17 21:36:49 UTC  

but still imperialism

2017-05-17 21:37:04 UTC  

Subjectivity is important. There is no subjectively imperialist = there is no imperialism.

2017-05-17 21:37:10 UTC  

China and Russia today can defend Syria

2017-05-17 21:37:31 UTC  

but it's still an imperialist bloc, just one with interests against the national bourgeoisie of the US and Europe

2017-05-17 21:37:51 UTC  

@Blebleh Russia and China are imperialist.

2017-05-17 21:38:47 UTC  

yes, so I say, every try to help other nations is for the national bourgeoisie not for socialism

2017-05-17 21:38:57 UTC  

it obeys the logic of capital not proletarian internationalism

2017-05-17 21:39:33 UTC  

@Blebleh There was no national bourgeoisie in power in USSR under Brezhnev.

2017-05-17 21:39:43 UTC  

Only revisionist scum

2017-05-17 21:42:45 UTC  

If you would trade openly for profit you would go to prison.

2017-05-17 21:43:37 UTC  

Even if you sell a cigarette

2017-05-17 21:44:12 UTC  

What kind of class of bourgeoisie in power is that?

2017-05-17 21:45:24 UTC  

It's almost like it's just a bunch of economic D&C

2017-05-17 21:46:26 UTC  

That can't possibly be, can it? I are all the facets of socialism just veils over a death cult?