and pro-Stalin advocates say it wasn't

Who lived longer?

That was the correct socialist

I doubt that even in a temporal ban you could restore it again as you wanted

but what they discuss more is the thing of permanent revolution

and pro-Stalin people think that in this case, it isn't leninist and that it would kill the revolution

and then we have council communists

and bordigists

All that shut you just said is basically the cancer that ends each revolution before it may reach its second stable point. P

Or the other complimentary cancer; the fallacious notion that writhing every socialist revolution lies the pupae of a functional state.

*bordiga gets offended* 😛

Not once has this actually been the case. As we can see within every socialist revolution lies an impossible to sustain ideological terratoma

I get that you're making a certain type of joke, but no.

The mere fact that I'm speaking to a leftist means I've a very high tolerance for disgust.

The party has a clear theoretical line

an in an anarchist case we could use a platform and unions

blanquism isn't leninism

(coups)

but today, we have bourgeois economy in the university, the mainstream economy

neoclassical-keynesian and even austrian

in socialism this is easier once we can educate the people

the media isn't owned privately for profit as now

Woah. Woah. Yes it is.

it doesn't mean it has to be managed by the party, it could be self-managed by different workers

In socialism

OH the other control system!

Yeah that's a thing, man that's a fun system to fuck with.

Fellow travelers are cheap and disposable, comrade

Today in capitalism the big business owners control the big media, you can look how they're connected, they're hierarchic and they have the same interests, they all support a capitalist ideology

We're in a control system now, and the academia has the neoclassical pseudoscientifc model; debunked by marxists economists like Cockshott

Hardly, the big media machine has a keen interest in promoting socialism

haha no

Yeah.

not even the mild ones, like Venezuela who aren't even socialists

in my country there's a socdem party emerging

Lmfao

It's totally not natsoc, it's socdem

and they manipulate them accusing them of uspporting Venezuela, even a minimal reform, they start manipulating

😎👍🏽

a few nationalizations aren't socialism

You don't know much about Latin America do you?