Message from @PremYattani

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2017-05-29 06:23:56 UTC  

Unfortuately humanity is infantile at this stage. Not everyone can be theoretician. As Lenin said, 'It takes 100 wise men to answer the question of 1 fool'.

2017-05-29 06:25:04 UTC  

Our aims is the create a Vanguard to implement Socialism and use that structure to educate and transform humanity into a place where it can be class conscious and enlightened in this theory.

2017-05-29 06:27:06 UTC  

So the end goal is to have a society of workers without hierarchy and spirituality? Doesn't sound all that great, it sounds as if it will just lead to stagnation and collapse like before.

2017-05-29 06:27:46 UTC  

What can I say, to a dog, human life doesn't seem that great either.

2017-05-29 06:28:16 UTC  

Your thoughts are not based in objective reality.

2017-05-29 06:28:39 UTC  

Spirituality is the most important dimension of life. Rather, it permeates all dimensions of life.

2017-05-29 06:28:54 UTC  

It has no mobility, no incentive, no competition, no amount of education and "enlightenment" can keep that going.

2017-05-29 06:29:06 UTC  

@PremYattani Thanks Deepak for that vague and useless statement.

2017-05-29 06:29:44 UTC  

Religion can be very important to the cohesiveness of societies.

2017-05-29 06:29:44 UTC  

You can think of the statement how you will, but the idea of living in harmony and leading a fulfilled existence, has everything to do with spirituality.

2017-05-29 06:29:59 UTC  

So with no attention placed towards spirituality, society becomes diseased.

2017-05-29 06:30:06 UTC  

Maybe. Either Communism works, or Barbarism is the only way.

2017-05-29 06:30:21 UTC  

That's an incredibly limited set of options 😂

2017-05-29 06:30:30 UTC  

Also, not true

2017-05-29 06:30:44 UTC  

For instance the Balkans might still be subjugated by the Muslims if it weren't for the bonds created not just by blood, but by faith.

2017-05-29 06:30:54 UTC  

@Deleted User If man does not fit into Communism, then man has to be changed.

2017-05-29 06:30:56 UTC  

I assume you are saying that, anything beside communism is barbarism?

2017-05-29 06:31:02 UTC  
2017-05-29 06:31:22 UTC  

@PremYattani No, I mean objectively. There are two ways this could all end.

2017-05-29 06:31:23 UTC  

Maybe its the other way around, and Communsim just doesn't work for Humanity?

2017-05-29 06:31:42 UTC  

You believe that our society devoid of communism, leads to barbarism?

2017-05-29 06:31:58 UTC  

@Deleted User What is so special about the current state of humanity?

2017-05-29 06:31:58 UTC  

"Communism" is an arbitrary concept

2017-05-29 06:32:08 UTC  

which apparently many people understand in countless ways

2017-05-29 06:32:22 UTC  

and it's implementation has always led to thousands of deaths and the dehumanization of people.

2017-05-29 06:32:27 UTC  

@PremYattani Communism is very specifically defined. As well as the beginning of the plan to get there.

2017-05-29 06:32:33 UTC  

Human Nature, the core fundamental behavior and tendencies of Human Beings that cannot be changed.

2017-05-29 06:32:47 UTC  

That is not to say that, the philosophy of "communism" does not have something beneficial to offer to society.

2017-05-29 06:32:51 UTC  

@Deleted User Human Nature can be changed, easily.

2017-05-29 06:32:54 UTC  

No

2017-05-29 06:33:14 UTC  

I think the history of Communist societies shows that not to be the case.

2017-05-29 06:33:16 UTC  

Human nature is absolute, but what human nature is, is a spiritual/philosophical question.

2017-05-29 06:33:27 UTC  

One that must be deeply contemplated

2017-05-29 06:33:37 UTC  

But, contemplation has been done by people before us

2017-05-29 06:33:45 UTC  

@PremYattani Nothing is absolute. The universe is in constant motion and change.

2017-05-29 06:34:03 UTC  

And it is quite apt that we might peruse the the understandings of those gyaanis of the past

2017-05-29 06:34:05 UTC  

the wise men

2017-05-29 06:34:19 UTC  

@Deleted User So humans have always existed in the same exact form and didn't evolve?

2017-05-29 06:34:33 UTC  

The universe has the manifest and the unmanifest. The unmanifest is primordial potential.

2017-05-29 06:34:37 UTC  

That is forever true

2017-05-29 06:34:48 UTC  

Have you ever considered the scope of that change? As in it could take hundreds of thousands of years to effect it?