Message from @Hezbolshevik

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2017-06-05 04:03:50 UTC  

They play our soldiers' Involvement with fighting terrorism off as what keeps us in "democracy" and out of Sharia

2017-06-05 04:05:15 UTC  

Can you reduce this to ideological indoctrination? If so, it is indeed very powerful device for social control.

2017-06-05 04:05:52 UTC  

Yes

2017-06-05 04:06:10 UTC  

They always talk about them protecting our freedom

2017-06-05 04:07:27 UTC  

Ha! In that case we should have soldiers posted around sharp objects, to protect our freedoms from their tyranny.

2017-06-05 04:07:55 UTC  

The citizen really is his own worst enemy.

2017-06-05 04:09:24 UTC  

America has a consumer culture

2017-06-05 04:09:45 UTC  

It is clear the army nowdays exists against ideas and not material threats.

2017-06-05 04:10:45 UTC  

Which is a very strange thing.

2017-06-05 04:11:07 UTC  

its not too strange

2017-06-05 04:11:48 UTC  

ideas have always been enforced or opposed by martial means

2017-06-05 04:12:50 UTC  

Do you believe that these armies are the instruments of the ruling class?

2017-06-05 04:13:02 UTC  

Which explains the war on ideas.

2017-06-05 04:13:07 UTC  

Yes

2017-06-05 04:13:22 UTC  

A state is the tool of the oppression of one class

2017-06-05 04:13:34 UTC  

@Deleted User Do you agree with this?

2017-06-05 04:13:35 UTC  

Be it proles or bourgeois

2017-06-05 04:13:43 UTC  

not necessarily

2017-06-05 04:13:58 UTC  

what i would agree with is that they belong to powerful individuals

2017-06-05 04:14:05 UTC  

not simply an entire class of people

2017-06-05 04:14:31 UTC  

Well even with the individuals they tend to cater to a certain class

2017-06-05 04:15:42 UTC  

I think that the definition of a private army means that those with the most private goods stand to benefit the most from an environment that uses martial force.

2017-06-05 04:16:13 UTC  

yes, however, that does not always have to be the (ruling) class

2017-06-05 04:16:34 UTC  

which is why i didn't give a decisive answer

2017-06-05 04:16:47 UTC  

It generally varies based on state

2017-06-05 04:17:01 UTC  

You can't draw a solid conclusion that covers all states

2017-06-05 04:17:07 UTC  

Hey.

2017-06-05 04:17:13 UTC  
2017-06-05 04:17:40 UTC  

yes, that's certainly true

2017-06-05 04:18:58 UTC  

however you also cannot always state from the get-go that a martial response is enacted on behalf of whichever ruling class governs

2017-06-05 04:19:08 UTC  

@Deleted User Is it possible to have dominant individuals with the most private goods, but who are not also the ruling class? It seems like a contradiction.

2017-06-05 04:19:26 UTC  

oh definitely

2017-06-05 04:19:54 UTC  

it doesn't have to be abstract or physical

2017-06-05 04:20:08 UTC  

just like the autumn harvest revolution

2017-06-05 04:20:15 UTC  

they certainly weren't the ruling class

2017-06-05 04:20:25 UTC  

but they were definitely dominant

2017-06-05 04:21:29 UTC  

the strong laborer who makes a fiery speech to his fellow serfs can be dominant in the same way that others could be

2017-06-05 04:22:43 UTC  

That's a very good point. Ideas can be more powerful than status if the conditions are ripe enough.

2017-06-05 04:23:10 UTC  

i think it is wrong to automatically assume any ruling class is responsible

2017-06-05 04:23:29 UTC  

this could potentially do your own movement harm, or discredit a genuine movement, simply by making the assumption

2017-06-05 04:25:12 UTC  

Can a rich man start a revolution for the poor, and a poor man start a revolution for the rich?