Message from @Hezbolshevik
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The citizen really is his own worst enemy.
America has a consumer culture
It is clear the army nowdays exists against ideas and not material threats.
Which is a very strange thing.
its not too strange
ideas have always been enforced or opposed by martial means
Do you believe that these armies are the instruments of the ruling class?
Which explains the war on ideas.
Yes
A state is the tool of the oppression of one class
@Deleted User Do you agree with this?
Be it proles or bourgeois
not necessarily
what i would agree with is that they belong to powerful individuals
not simply an entire class of people
Well even with the individuals they tend to cater to a certain class
I think that the definition of a private army means that those with the most private goods stand to benefit the most from an environment that uses martial force.
yes, however, that does not always have to be the (ruling) class
which is why i didn't give a decisive answer
It generally varies based on state
Hey.
@TordTheTordis hej
yes, that's certainly true
however you also cannot always state from the get-go that a martial response is enacted on behalf of whichever ruling class governs
@Deleted User Is it possible to have dominant individuals with the most private goods, but who are not also the ruling class? It seems like a contradiction.
oh definitely
it doesn't have to be abstract or physical
just like the autumn harvest revolution
they certainly weren't the ruling class
but they were definitely dominant
the strong laborer who makes a fiery speech to his fellow serfs can be dominant in the same way that others could be
That's a very good point. Ideas can be more powerful than status if the conditions are ripe enough.
i think it is wrong to automatically assume any ruling class is responsible
this could potentially do your own movement harm, or discredit a genuine movement, simply by making the assumption
Can a rich man start a revolution for the poor, and a poor man start a revolution for the rich?
Well Zhou enlai came from the rich in Manchuria and helped Mao
that depends
or well, it doesn't depend
but you should clarify
is this "revolution" intended, or is it a byproduct of something else?