Message from @Anglican

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2017-06-07 01:01:54 UTC  

Everything is subjective and objective.

2017-06-07 01:02:07 UTC  

What I wrote was only according to Louis Althusser and his structural Marxism.

2017-06-07 01:03:00 UTC  

It seems he doesn't know diamat.

2017-06-07 01:03:41 UTC  

Every matter is subjective. Not only human.

2017-06-07 01:05:00 UTC  

Men both subjective and conscious.

2017-06-07 01:05:19 UTC  

Gaining subjectivity on a higher level.

2017-06-07 01:08:30 UTC  

I am getting distracted by psychoanalysis. I looked into it because it was referred to into lecture series on Marxism. I will ignore it. Back to Hegel for me then.

2017-06-07 01:09:39 UTC  

>everything, absolutely everything is subjective

2017-06-07 01:09:42 UTC  

well fuck, it is.

2017-06-07 01:10:16 UTC  

It actually is. Our senses could be tricking us, the entirity of the world and our feelings could all be constructed by something or someone else.

2017-06-07 01:10:50 UTC  

Yeah we aren't capable of grasping information outside of a subjective experience, if you want to get right down to it

2017-06-07 01:10:56 UTC  

@Deleted User psychoanalysis is fine to study. I see no harm. But there is so much literature on Marxism you can easily read whole life and not be there.

2017-06-07 01:15:04 UTC  

@Konduct Romans 2.7 subjective experience way be in intellectual field beyond your personal senses. Diamat makes it more objective.

2017-06-07 01:15:45 UTC  

>Yeah we aren't capable of grasping information outside of a subjective experience

2017-06-07 01:15:53 UTC  

Marxism makes you capable.

2017-06-07 01:18:15 UTC  

There are many so called Western Marxists like Lukacs who were against Soviet Marxism.

2017-06-07 01:18:37 UTC  

>Marxism

2017-06-07 01:18:37 UTC  

Any they revisionists?

2017-06-07 01:18:38 UTC  

>Lets

2017-06-07 01:18:39 UTC  

>yo

2017-06-07 01:18:41 UTC  

*you

2017-06-07 01:18:43 UTC  

>be

2017-06-07 01:18:45 UTC  

>objective

2017-06-07 01:18:47 UTC  

*Claps*

2017-06-07 01:19:17 UTC  

@Anglican If you learn about it.

2017-06-07 01:20:24 UTC  

I learned about Marxism and I was delusional while a communist.

2017-06-07 01:21:10 UTC  

Objectivity does not just come from an ideology. It comes from trusting your senses and what you can directly observe, and what those you can trust and what they've observed. It's deeper that.

2017-06-07 01:21:20 UTC  

*than that.

2017-06-07 01:21:35 UTC  

A thousand times, and we can never be objective on what is objective and what isn't.

2017-06-07 01:21:49 UTC  

There is just what we can observe shows us.

2017-06-07 01:22:12 UTC  

Science can show what is closer to objectivity though.

2017-06-07 01:22:25 UTC  

Of what is observable by humanity. That is.

2017-06-07 01:22:38 UTC  

That's what's interesting, we could all just be in the same big dream.

2017-06-07 01:22:51 UTC  

Humanity is not static.

2017-06-07 01:22:51 UTC  

This could all be generated by our collective conciousness.

2017-06-07 01:22:56 UTC  

I know that.

2017-06-07 01:23:17 UTC  

What is knowable keeps developing.

2017-06-07 01:23:24 UTC  

Of course.

2017-06-07 01:23:52 UTC  

So we advance towards the objective and material.

2017-06-07 01:24:09 UTC  

*But, is the material all that matters?*

2017-06-07 01:24:35 UTC  

Thats a serious question. Is this matter which makes us up on this place in our existance all that matters?