Message from @Anglican

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2017-06-07 00:42:39 UTC  

The belief that we are self-conscious agents, we derive this belief in the course of learning what it is to be a daughter, a schoolchild, black, a steelworker, a councillor, and so forth.

2017-06-07 00:44:03 UTC  

But we are self-conscious. It is a quality of the matter.

2017-06-07 00:45:06 UTC  

Reflection is a normal condition.

2017-06-07 00:45:29 UTC  

Matter reflects its own self.

2017-06-07 00:45:46 UTC  

Gets consciousness.

2017-06-07 00:46:07 UTC  

Happens all the time.

2017-06-07 00:51:59 UTC  

Subjectivity is a form of ideology.

2017-06-07 00:53:13 UTC  

In order for a person to identify as a Christian, he must first already be a subject; that is, by responding to God's call and following His rules, he affirms himself as a free agent, the author of the acts for which he assumes responsibility. We cannot recognize ourselves outside ideology, and in fact, our very actions reach out to this overarching structure.

2017-06-07 00:54:50 UTC  

We acquire our identities by seeing ourselves mirrored in ideologies.

2017-06-07 00:58:10 UTC  

>Subjectivity is a form of ideology.

2017-06-07 00:59:05 UTC  

Ideology can be idealist or materialist. Materialist ideology reflects reality better.

2017-06-07 01:01:31 UTC  

Subjectivity is a quality of matter.

2017-06-07 01:01:54 UTC  

Everything is subjective and objective.

2017-06-07 01:02:07 UTC  

What I wrote was only according to Louis Althusser and his structural Marxism.

2017-06-07 01:03:00 UTC  

It seems he doesn't know diamat.

2017-06-07 01:03:41 UTC  

Every matter is subjective. Not only human.

2017-06-07 01:05:00 UTC  

Men both subjective and conscious.

2017-06-07 01:05:19 UTC  

Gaining subjectivity on a higher level.

2017-06-07 01:08:30 UTC  

I am getting distracted by psychoanalysis. I looked into it because it was referred to into lecture series on Marxism. I will ignore it. Back to Hegel for me then.

2017-06-07 01:09:39 UTC  

>everything, absolutely everything is subjective

2017-06-07 01:09:42 UTC  

well fuck, it is.

2017-06-07 01:10:16 UTC  

It actually is. Our senses could be tricking us, the entirity of the world and our feelings could all be constructed by something or someone else.

2017-06-07 01:10:50 UTC  

Yeah we aren't capable of grasping information outside of a subjective experience, if you want to get right down to it

2017-06-07 01:10:56 UTC  

@Deleted User psychoanalysis is fine to study. I see no harm. But there is so much literature on Marxism you can easily read whole life and not be there.

2017-06-07 01:15:04 UTC  

@Konduct Romans 2.7 subjective experience way be in intellectual field beyond your personal senses. Diamat makes it more objective.

2017-06-07 01:15:45 UTC  

>Yeah we aren't capable of grasping information outside of a subjective experience

2017-06-07 01:15:53 UTC  

Marxism makes you capable.

2017-06-07 01:18:15 UTC  

There are many so called Western Marxists like Lukacs who were against Soviet Marxism.

2017-06-07 01:18:37 UTC  

>Marxism

2017-06-07 01:18:37 UTC  

Any they revisionists?

2017-06-07 01:18:38 UTC  

>Lets

2017-06-07 01:18:39 UTC  

>yo

2017-06-07 01:18:41 UTC  

*you

2017-06-07 01:18:43 UTC  

>be

2017-06-07 01:18:45 UTC  

>objective

2017-06-07 01:18:47 UTC  

*Claps*

2017-06-07 01:19:17 UTC  

@Anglican If you learn about it.

2017-06-07 01:20:24 UTC  

I learned about Marxism and I was delusional while a communist.

2017-06-07 01:21:10 UTC  

Objectivity does not just come from an ideology. It comes from trusting your senses and what you can directly observe, and what those you can trust and what they've observed. It's deeper that.

2017-06-07 01:21:20 UTC  

*than that.

2017-06-07 01:21:35 UTC  

A thousand times, and we can never be objective on what is objective and what isn't.