>objective

*Claps*

@Anglican If you learn about it.

I learned about Marxism and I was delusional while a communist.

Objectivity does not just come from an ideology. It comes from trusting your senses and what you can directly observe, and what those you can trust and what they've observed. It's deeper that.

*than that.

A thousand times, and we can never be objective on what is objective and what isn't.

There is just what we can observe shows us.

Science can show what is closer to objectivity though.

Of what is observable by humanity. That is.

That's what's interesting, we could all just be in the same big dream.

Humanity is not static.

This could all be generated by our collective conciousness.

I know that.

What is knowable keeps developing.

Of course.

So we advance towards the objective and material.

*But, is the material all that matters?*

Thats a serious question. Is this matter which makes us up on this place in our existance all that matters?

Or are we something more then this?

Something much more

No.

No to which statement?

All.

@Deleted User Many of them. Some of them were never connected to Marxism-Leninism. They were revolutionaries or thinkers of a time, but not essentially Marxist. Marxism has many planes. Some Marxist don't even go outside of philosophical field or their specialty. Most western Marxists are highly specialized and never have any common ground with other Marxist. This ideology is relatively new and more advance. It requires more effort too. So a lot of questions are not solved. And ideology is not completely formed too. You can't make same propaganda to workers 1917 in Russia and to petite bourgeoisie in Australia 2017

What?

>The material is not that all matters

>We are just material

Purpose is vague idealism.

The best example of the truly Objective would be Mathematics

Well, yeah.

But even then, we developed that by our own terms.

😉

But even the mind of the greatest mathematician is still left to grasp Mathematics with his Subjective brain

I mean

@Konduct Romans 2.7 Mathematics are too abstract and specialized. They cannot be objective.

what if aliens have 12 numbers

instead of 10?

We did not create Mathematics, we discovered it.

@Firefly#9983 Thanks for that great responce. So focus of theory as well as practice.

That'd be a dozzy